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Big Big Trouble in the PAC

Post by Crackoff » Sun Apr 25 2021 00:19

Eric Edwards
Has resigned his life membership and has left the Pike Anglers Club,
He says he will not be returning.
This is due to the actions of outgoing (?) secretary John Currie.
This means the PAC has lost two Liaison officers in less than a year, both due to Currie's actions.

The RO of region 31 has offered his resignation for the same reason.

Thats a real shame :cry:

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Re: Big Big Trouble in the PAC

Post by suffolk si » Sun Apr 25 2021 08:28

I donโ€™t know what this is about but I would say( as I think would most) John is a hugely proactive, passionate bloke and has done immense amounts of work for the future of essox and its environment . I think most (including myself)would say heโ€™s been one of the most determined and hard working men that has been involved with the PAC ๐Ÿ‘

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Re: Big Big Trouble in the PAC

Post by davelumb » Sun Apr 25 2021 09:32

Eric Edwards falls out with PAC committee and resigns from the club. Hasn't this happened before?

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Post by John Milford » Sun Apr 25 2021 11:50

davelumb wrote: โ†‘
Eric Edwards falls out with PAC committee and resigns from the club. Hasn't this happened before?
Yes. It happened over the controversial 'water fund' ยฃ1 increase in the membership fees in the 1990s.

It was introduced so that the PAC could fulfill its constitutional pledge to run its own pike water (for the benefit of all members) which was achieved with the groundbreaking Fox Pool experiment.

It was a huge success, but not everyone approved initially.

Eric was among a few high profile 'resignations' and dire predictions that members would leave in droves over it.

They didn't. The following year the PAC achieved a record membership of 2200 and Fox Pool proved so popular that it was quickly apparent it would be entirely self-financing, so the 'water fund' was dropped.

I'm very pleased that Eric (and others) subsequently came back into the fold - and his contribution to the PAC continued to be immense - which makes me very sorry to hear of his departure from the club.
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Re: Big Big Trouble in the PAC

Post by Crackoff » Sun Apr 25 2021 20:53

John Milford wrote: โ†‘
davelumb wrote: โ†‘
Eric Edwards falls out with PAC committee and resigns from the club. Hasn't this happened before?
Yes. It happened over the controversial 'water fund' ยฃ1 increase in the membership fees in the 1990s.

It was introduced so that the PAC could fulfill its constitutional pledge to run its own pike water (for the benefit of all members) which was achieved with the groundbreaking Fox Pool experiment.

It was a huge success, but not everyone approved initially.

Eric was among a few high profile 'resignations' and dire predictions that members would leave in droves over it.

They didn't. The following year the PAC achieved a record membership of 2200 and Fox Pool proved so popular that it was quickly apparent it would be entirely self-financing, so the 'water fund' was dropped.

I'm very pleased that Eric (and others) subsequently came back into the fold - and his contribution to the PAC continued to be immense - which makes me very sorry to hear of his departure from the club.
Your right John it was Eric's that got me to join the PAC back in the day :thumbs:

And when he ran region 31 in St. Helens it was very successful and he told me of this rod bider working from Chorley who became a good friend of mine even if we don't see each-other often but don't tell him that.

And at that time we used to go up and down the country watching slid shows at other regions.

And Jon Paul has left as well
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Re: Big Big Trouble in the PAC

Post by Crackoff » Sun Apr 25 2021 20:56

suffolk si wrote: โ†‘
I donโ€™t know what this is about but I would say( as I think would most) John is a hugely proactive, passionate bloke and has done immense amounts of work for the future of essox and its environment . I think most (including myself)would say heโ€™s been one of the most determined and hard working men that has been involved with the PAC ๐Ÿ‘
I don't know the full sp Si I just know he's left :scratch:

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Post by steve a pac » Mon Apr 26 2021 18:36

suffolk si wrote: โ†‘
I donโ€™t know what this is about but I would say( as I think would most) John is a hugely proactive, passionate bloke and has done immense amounts of work for the future of essox and its environment . I think most (including myself)would say heโ€™s been one of the most determined and hard working men that has been involved with the PAC ๐Ÿ‘
Eco that :thumbs:

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Post by Kevin O'Keeffe » Wed Apr 28 2021 23:53

You cant effect change from the outside.... dont get all this dummy throwing stuff every few years....

I would guess many like me have a lot of time and respect for both Eric and JC. I guess it will all come out in the end but hope it gets ironed out.

I thought the PAC announcement commending JC was great and echo Si's comments above. He puts himself out and goes much further than the extra mile.
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Re: Big Big Trouble in the PAC

Post by Stewlaws » Thu Apr 29 2021 22:22

Kevin O'Keeffe wrote: โ†‘
You cant effect change from the outside.... dont get all this dummy throwing stuff every few years....

I would guess many like me have a lot of time and respect for both Eric and JC. I guess it will all come out in the end but hope it gets ironed out.

I thought the PAC announcement commending JC was great and echo Si's comments above. He puts himself out and goes much further than the extra mile.

2 characters Kev with conviction, obviously a rub somewhere, unfortunately going off with a grand gesture is not likely to win friends or influence, accepting a difference and agreeing to disagree is probably a better way, sounds like a bun fight at the ok corral.

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Re: Big Big Trouble in the PAC

Post by davelumb » Thu Apr 29 2021 22:32

Eric can fall out with himself! :laughs:

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Re: Big Big Trouble in the PAC

Post by Crackoff » Fri Apr 30 2021 15:00

davelumb wrote: โ†‘
Eric can fall out with himself! :laughs:
:laughs:

You have to :worthy: to him so he will talk to you sometimes :roll:

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Crackoff wrote: โ†‘
davelumb wrote: โ†‘
Eric can fall out with himself! :laughs:
:laughs:

You have to :worthy: to him so he will talk to you sometimes :roll:

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Re: Big Big Trouble in the PAC

Post by Will Smith » Fri Apr 30 2021 21:17

Crackoff wrote: โ†‘
davelumb wrote: โ†‘
Eric can fall out with himself! :laughs:
:laughs:

You have to :worthy: to him so he will talk to you sometimes :roll:

Grant :smile:

By chance, I was talking to Eric yesterday and he explained to me why he left, it all sounded very reasonable to me. And if I may add, I have always found him to be very approachable, friendly and helpful, unlike some of the guys in our piking world that I have had the misfortune of meeting over the years.

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Post by Kevin O'Keeffe » Fri Apr 30 2021 22:42

Me to Will... Eric has always been approachable.

Still think he has a lot to offer from within even if something has gone pear shaped. typically all being a bit cloak n dagger at the PAC
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Post by Kev Berry » Sat May 01 2021 21:56

Will Smith wrote: โ†‘
Crackoff wrote: โ†‘
davelumb wrote: โ†‘
Eric can fall out with himself! :laughs:
:laughs:

You have to :worthy: to him so he will talk to you sometimes :roll:

Grant :smile:

By chance, I was talking to Eric yesterday and he explained to me why he left, it all sounded very reasonable to me. And if I may add, I have always found him to be very approachable, friendly and helpful, unlike some of the guys in our piking world that I have had the misfortune of meeting over the years.

Will.
Bumped into Eric a few years ago on a certain canal. Didnt see him till we packed up to move to another water as he was round the bend ๐Ÿ˜‚ anyway we stopped ten minutes or so for a chat and put the world to rights.
Just before we went he asked what went on with those 6 match lads....they went round the bend, then we heard a lot of shouting then someone saying "f**k off elsewhere or youre going in fat lad" then they came back past us grumbling about "fecking pike anglers"
We said we never heard owt :laughs:

Erics ok, bit of a prima donna at times but his hearts in the right place
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Re: Big Big Trouble in the PAC

Post by Chris Hammond » Sat May 08 2021 10:29

I think Eric has been very ill in the not too recent past.

We've not always seen eye to eye in the past but I've nothing but respect for him. It's sad to hear he's broken with the club for whatever reason. I hope things resolve themselves.

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Post by colinb » Wed Jun 02 2021 18:36

Why the Sun/Mirror headline?? 2 pike anglers have had a disagreement!!

FFS Cracker get a grip. :shrug: :shrug: :shrug:

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Post by stubbojo » Sun Jun 06 2021 09:15

i have met and spoken with Eric a few times in the past ,at a slide show in haydock and on some other pike forums ,
always talked good sense to me , he definitely puts some hours in on the bank resulting in some cracking fish ......

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Post by Tony McTaggart » Fri Jun 11 2021 01:35

I wondered why he had joined PAAS :roll:

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Tony McTaggart wrote: โ†‘
I wondered why he had joined PAAS :roll:
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Post by Graham Benyon » Sun Jun 20 2021 17:36

I believe Erics resignation was over a thread about otters on the PAC forum which got a bit heated. Eric and a n other were admins and decided to stop any further comments being made. As admins I am sure that they were doing their job. However, it appears that MR C did not agree with their actions and Eric was told that it would be a PAC commitee decision to block threads on their forum not the admins. Eric wasn`t best pleased and handed in his resignation . Another Regional Organiser also resigned but he has now gone back I think. This might not be the full story so please don`t take me to task over what I have written. It`s just what I have been told

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Re: Big Big Trouble in the PAC

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Graham Benyon wrote: โ†‘
I believe Erics resignation was over a thread about otters on the PAC forum which got a bit heated. Eric and a n other were admins and decided to stop any further comments being made. As admins I am sure that they were doing their job. However, it appears that MR C did not agree with their actions and Eric was told that it would be a PAC commitee decision to block threads on their forum not the admins. Eric wasn`t best pleased and handed in his resignation . Another Regional Organiser also resigned but he has now gone back I think. This might not be the full story so please don`t take me to task over what I have written. It`s just what I have been told
Eric spitting his dummy (again) is 'big, big trouble'? :roll: :laughs:

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Re: Big Big Trouble in the PAC

Post by John Milford » Sun Jun 20 2021 23:18

A thread on the PAC forum that got heated? :scratch:

I look in on there every few weeks, hoping to find something to join in on.

Usually there have been only two or three new posts since my last visit!

I really don't know why there is such little activity (and genuinely wish there was more) but it is usually incredibly quiet. :shrug:
"He's some sort of lure savant. Or just has an unhealthy addiction to old lures. We are not quite sure . . . . . "

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Re: Big Big Trouble in the PAC

Post by Jason Skilton » Mon Jun 21 2021 08:10

John Milford wrote: โ†‘
A thread on the PAC forum that got heated? :scratch:

I look in on there every few weeks, hoping to find something to join in on.

Usually there have been only two or three new posts since my last visit!

I really don't know why there is such little activity (and genuinely wish there was more) but it is usually incredibly quiet. :shrug:
There PAC forum has been tumble weed town for years........
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John Milford wrote: โ†‘
A thread on the PAC forum that got heated? :scratch:

I look in on there every few weeks, hoping to find something to join in on.

Usually there have been only two or three new posts since my last visit!

I really don't know why there is such little activity (and genuinely wish there was more) but it is usually incredibly quiet. :shrug:
The original PAC forum was pretty active, it went quiet when PAC went Facebook.

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Re: Big Big Trouble in the PAC

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davelumb wrote: โ†‘
John Milford wrote: โ†‘
A thread on the PAC forum that got heated? :scratch:

I look in on there every few weeks, hoping to find something to join in on.

Usually there have been only two or three new posts since my last visit!

I really don't know why there is such little activity (and genuinely wish there was more) but it is usually incredibly quiet. :shrug:
The original PAC forum was pretty active, it went quiet when PAC went Facebook.
The Pit has a Facebook presence too Lumby, but that hasn't caused a decline in the forum. :shrug:

I see them as two entirely different things with fundamentally different habitual inhabitants.

A forum is highly structured - with defined sections and titled threads, where posts are organised into pages.

Everything on a forum is searchable and retrievable. Forum posts even show up in search engines.

Facebook is mostly instant and 'throw-away' in comparison - fire and forget. I don't know about anyone else, but Facebook quickly slows and eventually freezes whenever I attempt to scroll down to any depth in search of something old.

(There is perhaps a difference with FB 'groups', compared to individual profiles).
"He's some sort of lure savant. Or just has an unhealthy addiction to old lures. We are not quite sure . . . . . "

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John Milford wrote: โ†‘
davelumb wrote: โ†‘
John Milford wrote: โ†‘
A thread on the PAC forum that got heated? :scratch:

I look in on there every few weeks, hoping to find something to join in on.

Usually there have been only two or three new posts since my last visit!

I really don't know why there is such little activity (and genuinely wish there was more) but it is usually incredibly quiet. :shrug:
The original PAC forum was pretty active, it went quiet when PAC went Facebook.
The Pit has a Facebook presence too Lumby, but that hasn't caused a decline in the forum. :shrug:

I see them as two entirely different things with fundamentally different habitual inhabitants.

A forum is highly structured - with defined sections and titled threads, where posts are organised into pages.

Everything on a forum is searchable and retrievable. Forum posts even show up in search engines.

Facebook is instant and 'throw-away' in comparison - fire and forget. I don't know about anyone else, but Facebook quickly slows and eventually freezes whenever I attempt to scroll down to any depth in search of something old.
I know what you're saying John, those features you list are why I loathe Facebook, but it appears that is where the PAC is at these days. :shrug:

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Re: Big Big Trouble in the PAC

Post by Andrew Croft » Mon Jun 21 2021 10:17

John Milford wrote: โ†‘
davelumb wrote: โ†‘
John Milford wrote: โ†‘
A thread on the PAC forum that got heated? :scratch:

I look in on there every few weeks, hoping to find something to join in on.

Usually there have been only two or three new posts since my last visit!

I really don't know why there is such little activity (and genuinely wish there was more) but it is usually incredibly quiet. :shrug:
The original PAC forum was pretty active, it went quiet when PAC went Facebook.
The Pit has a Facebook presence too Lumby, but that hasn't caused a decline in the forum. :shrug:

I see them as two entirely different things with fundamentally different habitual inhabitants.

A forum is highly structured - with defined sections and titled threads, where posts are organised into pages.

Everything on a forum is searchable and retrievable. Forum posts even show up in search engines.

Facebook is instant and 'throw-away' in comparison - fire and forget. I don't know about anyone else, but Facebook quickly slows and eventually freezes whenever I attempt to scroll down to any depth in search of something old.
We have one but is barely updated. Its intention was to highlight forum topics and drive people here for discussion. I deleted my facebook account ages ago so its updated even less these days.

From what I seen the pac fb page was a massive s**t show with post being deleted left right and centre at one point :shrug: maybe pac just has an authoritarian problem no matter if its fb or their forum ๐Ÿค”
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Re: Big Big Trouble in the PAC

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Andrew Croft wrote: โ†‘
John Milford wrote: โ†‘
davelumb wrote: โ†‘
John Milford wrote: โ†‘
A thread on the PAC forum that got heated? :scratch:

I look in on there every few weeks, hoping to find something to join in on.

Usually there have been only two or three new posts since my last visit!

I really don't know why there is such little activity (and genuinely wish there was more) but it is usually incredibly quiet. :shrug:
The original PAC forum was pretty active, it went quiet when PAC went Facebook.
The Pit has a Facebook presence too Lumby, but that hasn't caused a decline in the forum. :shrug:

I see them as two entirely different things with fundamentally different habitual inhabitants.

A forum is highly structured - with defined sections and titled threads, where posts are organised into pages.

Everything on a forum is searchable and retrievable. Forum posts even show up in search engines.

Facebook is instant and 'throw-away' in comparison - fire and forget. I don't know about anyone else, but Facebook quickly slows and eventually freezes whenever I attempt to scroll down to any depth in search of something old.
We have one but is barely updated. Its intention was to highlight forum topics and drive people here for discussion. I deleted my facebook account ages ago so its updated even less these days.

From what I seen the pac fb page was a massive s**t show with post being deleted left right and centre at one point :shrug: maybe pac just has an authoritarian problem no matter if its fb or their forum ๐Ÿค”
The difference is that the PAC use FB groups and they have two for non member and member, then they have a FB page. The Pit just uses the FB page.

So if people want to make comments or ask advise on the PAC FB groups they post topics rather than use the PAC forum.......the PAC forum is dead as long as the PAC FB groups exist i'm afraid......
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Re: Big Big Trouble in the PAC

Post by Graham Benyon » Mon Jun 21 2021 21:32

davelumb wrote: โ†‘
Graham Benyon wrote: โ†‘
I believe Erics resignation was over a thread about otters on the PAC forum which got a bit heated. Eric and a n other were admins and decided to stop any further comments being made. As admins I am sure that they were doing their job. However, it appears that MR C did not agree with their actions and Eric was told that it would be a PAC commitee decision to block threads on their forum not the admins. Eric wasn`t best pleased and handed in his resignation . Another Regional Organiser also resigned but he has now gone back I think. This might not be the full story so please don`t take me to task over what I have written. It`s just what I have been told
Eric spitting his dummy (again) is 'big, big trouble'? :roll: :laughs:
I didn`t say it was Dave. :scratch: I merely tried to give an explanation as to why it happened :neutral:

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