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Does this #3 etc meant the rings are 3mm in diameter?
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Chris Hammond wrote: βThu Jul 09 2020 10:30 -Probably not.Does this #3 etc meant the rings are 3mm in diameter?
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davelumb wrote: βThu Jul 09 2020 10:38 -I expect not. (would be too simple)Chris Hammond wrote: βThu Jul 09 2020 10:30 -Probably not.Does this #3 etc meant the rings are 3mm in diameter?
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Chris Hammond wrote: βThu Jul 09 2020 11:21 -Not to mention that Yanks don't like metric measurements. Maybe it means 3 somethings of an inch?davelumb wrote: βThu Jul 09 2020 10:38 -I expect not. (would be too simple)Chris Hammond wrote: βThu Jul 09 2020 10:30 -Probably not.Does this #3 etc meant the rings are 3mm in diameter?
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Chris Hammond wrote: βThu Jul 09 2020 10:30 -Owner Split rings.Does this #3 etc meant the rings are 3mm in diameter?
Size ID (Inside diameter in mm)
#4 = 5
#5 = 5.5
#6 = 6
#7 = 7
Although many companies in Japan use Imperial Owner uses Metric for ID but lists ring loads in both lbs and kg.
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The best split ring pliers I have used were (are) the ones Tony Perrin of Landa Lures used to have made (I think from standard smooth jawed pliers) and gave me a worn pair. They are even more worn now, and I've re-filed the 'slot' once or twice. They easier to use and work far better than the usual design. I've never seen any others like them.
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Funnily enough Dave I have already decided that once my pliers from Chico's arrive I am going to try and convert my existing ones into something finer by grinding down the hook nose bit. They are basically too blunt. They're ok for the larger rings but as mentioned yesterday they damage the rings on some of the cheaper lures.
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Mike J wrote: βThu Jul 09 2020 12:31 -Thanks Mike. What size in mm (internally) do the owners go down to? I want some good quality rings in 2, 3 and 4mm.Chris Hammond wrote: βThu Jul 09 2020 10:30 -Owner Split rings.Does this #3 etc meant the rings are 3mm in diameter?
Size ID (Inside diameter in mm)
#4 = 5
#5 = 5.5
#6 = 6
#7 = 7
Although many companies in Japan use Imperial Owner uses Metric for ID but lists ring loads in both lbs and kg.
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Address 120, Tomita-Cho, Nishiwaki-City, Hyogo-Prefecture, 677-0018, Japan
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davelumb wrote: βThu Jul 09 2020 13:06 -They look handy Dave.The best split ring pliers I have used were (are) the ones Tony Perrin of Landa Lures used to have made (I think from standard smooth jawed pliers) and gave me a worn pair. They are even more worn now, and I've re-filed the 'slot' once or twice. They easier to use and work far better than the usual design. I've never seen any others like them.
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Chris Hammond wrote: βThu Jul 09 2020 13:15 -Once you suss how to use them they're the dog's b******s, Chris. If you can make yourself a set you won't regret it.davelumb wrote: βThu Jul 09 2020 13:06 -They look handy Dave.The best split ring pliers I have used were (are) the ones Tony Perrin of Landa Lures used to have made (I think from standard smooth jawed pliers) and gave me a worn pair. They are even more worn now, and I've re-filed the 'slot' once or twice. They easier to use and work far better than the usual design. I've never seen any others like them.
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davelumb wrote: βThu Jul 09 2020 13:27 -I dont suppose they're still available Dave?Pic for scale.
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Chris Hammond wrote: βThu Jul 09 2020 13:30 -They were never available for sale, Chris. Tony had them made for his outworkers to use. He used to call in at Chorley Anglers once a week or so to top up the Landa display (his unit was a few streets away) and that's when I blagged the pair I have from him.
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Blagged = even better than discount.
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davelumb wrote: βThu Jul 09 2020 13:33 -Ok never mind.Chris Hammond wrote: βThu Jul 09 2020 13:30 -They were never available for sale, Chris. Tony had them made for his outworkers to use. He used to call in at Chorley Anglers once a week or so to top up the Landa display (his unit was a few streets away) and that's when I blagged the pair I have from him.
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Chico 48 PAC wrote: βThu Jul 09 2020 15:32 -I don't recognise that 'd' word.Blagged = even better than discount.
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Chris Hammond wrote: βThu Jul 09 2020 13:14 -Mike J wrote: βThu Jul 09 2020 12:31 -Thanks Mike. What size in mm (internally) do the owners go down to? I want some good quality rings in 2, 3 and 4mm.Chris Hammond wrote: βThu Jul 09 2020 10:30 -Owner Split rings.Does this #3 etc meant the rings are 3mm in diameter?
Size ID (Inside diameter in mm)
#4 = 5
#5 = 5.5
#6 = 6
#7 = 7
Although many companies in Japan use Imperial Owner uses Metric for ID but lists ring loads in both lbs and kg.
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Hi Chris
# 3 is the smallest Ive seen, they would be small enough to meet your 4mm ID spec. But beware, you would need good pliers to open them.
FYI The very best 2&3mm rings I have ever seen and used are those fitted to the Meggabass Vision 110 lures.
For such a tiny ring (2mm ID) they are even difficult to split let alone open wide enough to accept a hook ring.
Owner Oval split rings I have used for over 20years and are my preferred shape.
Owner and also Decoy make Egg shaped rings, I have used the latter in the HD versions and they are excellent for extreme situations.
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Mike J wrote: βFri Jul 10 2020 10:37 -Cheers Mike. Much appreciated. There's no urgency I will sort them out when I need them.Chris Hammond wrote: βThu Jul 09 2020 13:14 -Mike J wrote: βThu Jul 09 2020 12:31 -Thanks Mike. What size in mm (internally) do the owners go down to? I want some good quality rings in 2, 3 and 4mm.Chris Hammond wrote: βThu Jul 09 2020 10:30 -Owner Split rings.Does this #3 etc meant the rings are 3mm in diameter?
Size ID (Inside diameter in mm)
#4 = 5
#5 = 5.5
#6 = 6
#7 = 7
Although many companies in Japan use Imperial Owner uses Metric for ID but lists ring loads in both lbs and kg.
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Hi Chris
# 3 is the smallest Ive seen, they would be small enough to meet your 4mm ID spec. But beware, you would need good pliers to open them.
FYI The very best 2&3mm rings I have ever seen and used are those fitted to the Meggabass Vision 110 lures.
For such a tiny ring (2mm ID) they are even difficult to split let alone open wide enough to accept a hook ring.
Owner Oval split rings I have used for over 20years and are my preferred shape.
Owner and also Decoy make Egg shaped rings, I have used the latter in the HD versions and they are excellent for extreme situations.
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A big thankyou to all you chaps who reccomended Chico's pliers. They were waiting for me at work when I took the truck back tonight and they are exactly what I wanted! I've already tried them on a 3mm split ring and it was a doddle! I have no doubt at all that they will handle all my micro needs. If there were any smaller split rings I wouldn't be able to see them anyway.
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Chris Hammond wrote: βFri Jul 10 2020 18:27 -A big thankyou to all you chaps who reccomended Chico's pliers. They were waiting for me at work when I took the truck back tonight and they are exactly what I wanted! I've already tried them on a 3mm split ring and it was a doddle! I have no doubt at all that they will handle all my micro needs. If there were any smaller split rings I wouldn't be able to see them anyway.
Big up to the folk on the Pit!
They really took the FFS factor out of fitting/changing split rings for me
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Chris Hammond wrote: βFri Jul 10 2020 13:21 -Mike J wrote: βFri Jul 10 2020 10:37 -Cheers Mike. Much appreciated. There's no urgency I will sort them out when I need them.Chris Hammond wrote: βThu Jul 09 2020 13:14 -Mike J wrote: βThu Jul 09 2020 12:31 -Thanks Mike. What size in mm (internally) do the owners go down to? I want some good quality rings in 2, 3 and 4mm.Chris Hammond wrote: βThu Jul 09 2020 10:30 -Owner Split rings.Does this #3 etc meant the rings are 3mm in diameter?
Size ID (Inside diameter in mm)
#4 = 5
#5 = 5.5
#6 = 6
#7 = 7
Although many companies in Japan use Imperial Owner uses Metric for ID but lists ring loads in both lbs and kg.
OWNER HOOKS CO., LTD
Address 120, Tomita-Cho, Nishiwaki-City, Hyogo-Prefecture, 677-0018, Japan
Hi Chris
# 3 is the smallest Ive seen, they would be small enough to meet your 4mm ID spec. But beware, you would need good pliers to open them.
FYI The very best 2&3mm rings I have ever seen and used are those fitted to the Meggabass Vision 110 lures.
For such a tiny ring (2mm ID) they are even difficult to split let alone open wide enough to accept a hook ring.
Owner Oval split rings I have used for over 20years and are my preferred shape.
Owner and also Decoy make Egg shaped rings, I have used the latter in the HD versions and they are excellent for extreme situations.
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Here you go Chris,
Smallest split rings available.
Ring # 00, 0, 1, 2, 3,
ID mm 1.5. 2 3 3,5 4
Load lb. 12 15 20 30 40
Info direct from a friend in Japan (we both enjoy a challenge).
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Chris, very pleased that they made it promply and even better that you like them. I hope they provide you with years of joy.
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davelumb wrote: βThu Jul 09 2020 13:06 -Have you considered heat treating them, easy enough over a gas hob. It should eliminate the need to re-shape/file themThe best split ring pliers I have used were (are) the ones Tony Perrin of Landa Lures used to have made (I think from standard smooth jawed pliers) and gave me a worn pair. They are even more worn now, and I've re-filed the 'slot' once or twice. They easier to use and work far better than the usual design. I've never seen any others like them.
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Bob Watson wrote: βSat Jul 11 2020 18:03 -I wouldn't know where to start!davelumb wrote: βThu Jul 09 2020 13:06 -Have you considered heat treating them, easy enough over a gas hob. It should eliminate the need to re-shape/file themThe best split ring pliers I have used were (are) the ones Tony Perrin of Landa Lures used to have made (I think from standard smooth jawed pliers) and gave me a worn pair. They are even more worn now, and I've re-filed the 'slot' once or twice. They easier to use and work far better than the usual design. I've never seen any others like them.
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davelumb wrote: βSat Jul 11 2020 18:15 -The beginning and google are your matesBob Watson wrote: βSat Jul 11 2020 18:03 -I wouldn't know where to start!davelumb wrote: βThu Jul 09 2020 13:06 -Have you considered heat treating them, easy enough over a gas hob. It should eliminate the need to re-shape/file themThe best split ring pliers I have used were (are) the ones Tony Perrin of Landa Lures used to have made (I think from standard smooth jawed pliers) and gave me a worn pair. They are even more worn now, and I've re-filed the 'slot' once or twice. They easier to use and work far better than the usual design. I've never seen any others like them.