Steve Dennington wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17 2018 12:37 -That's because they're a Pit Special for the time being.davelumb wrote: ↑Tue Oct 16 2018 15:28 -Cheers Dave. Webshop still says packs of 9 branded Mustad thoughSteve Dennington wrote: ↑Thu Oct 04 2018 12:24 -Size 3 and size 4 Stringease Stay-Loks now in stock.
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davelumb wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17 2018 14:16 -I'll drop you an email thenSteve Dennington wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17 2018 12:37 -That's because they're a Pit Special for the time being.davelumb wrote: ↑Tue Oct 16 2018 15:28 -Cheers Dave. Webshop still says packs of 9 branded Mustad thoughSteve Dennington wrote: ↑Thu Oct 04 2018 12:24 -Size 3 and size 4 Stringease Stay-Loks now in stock.
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Steve Dennington wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17 2018 14:21 -davelumb wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17 2018 14:16 -I'll drop you an email thenSteve Dennington wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17 2018 12:37 -That's because they're a Pit Special for the time being.davelumb wrote: ↑Tue Oct 16 2018 15:28 -Cheers Dave. Webshop still says packs of 9 branded Mustad thoughSteve Dennington wrote: ↑Thu Oct 04 2018 12:24 -Size 3 and size 4 Stringease Stay-Loks now in stock.
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Here’s a curve ball, what do you think about this ???
It’s rated to 22lb, on 28lb wire, I’ve got 20lb braid on one reel and 15lb mono on the other so my line should go before the link.
Keeps things a bit more simple and subtle, the only issue I can think is that although there’s a swivel at the end of the trace, it probably isn’t any good for spinners/spoons but for Soft and Hard plastics it’ll be fine ?!?
Whaddayathink ?!?!? Be gentle
It’s basically an XL fly clip that I’ve used extensively in the sea with absolutely no problems. Surface work walking the dog, divers, sink an draw, done it all with never a hint of anything working loose.It’s rated to 22lb, on 28lb wire, I’ve got 20lb braid on one reel and 15lb mono on the other so my line should go before the link.
Keeps things a bit more simple and subtle, the only issue I can think is that although there’s a swivel at the end of the trace, it probably isn’t any good for spinners/spoons but for Soft and Hard plastics it’ll be fine ?!?
Whaddayathink ?!?!? Be gentle
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Flipflopjoe wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17 2018 15:22 -Gemini snood clips do the same job and are rated at 55lb. Good thing about clips like that is that you`re not opening and closing them constantly, which does create a weak point in the wire. Thats why the likes of crossloks can failHere’s a curve ball, what do you think about this ???
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It’s basically an XL fly clip that I’ve used extensively in the sea with absolutely no problems. Surface work walking the dog, divers, sink an draw, dinebit all with never a hint of anything working loose.
It’s rated to 22lb, on 28lb wire, I’ve got 20lb braid on one reel and 15lb mono on the other so my line should go before the link.
Keeps things a bit more simple and subtle, the only issue I can think is that although there’s a swivel at the end of the trace, it probably isn’t any good for spinners/spoons but for Soft and Hard plastics it’ll be fine ?!?
Whaddayathink ?!?!? Be gentle
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On the subject of Crap gear. Trebles supplied with the vast majority of lures are absolute rubbish. You pay over 20 quid for a Guppie and you need to change the hooks. Steve D has been nagging me for years but being a tight git I usually wait until I get a problem. I always do switch them on Spoons and stuff but I certainly did not think the guppies would be that poor. The first fish I caught straitened the hook (luckily it was still landed) so I changed the one hook and the second original hook snapped on the next fish so I looked at the others and although they looked like Owners or Sakumas they most certainly were not. Lesson Leaned but it really should not be necessary.
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Flipflopjoe wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17 2018 15:22 -Sorry to sound like the Piking Police but I don't think you should be using 20lb braid or 15lb mono for pike fishing......as for the hook I would not trust it on any form of predator fishing. I know you will say you have never had a problem but believe me you will. We all hear stories of fat men living til 90 on a diet of beer and fish and chips but it does not mean you should try itHere’s a curve ball, what do you think about this ???
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It’s basically an XL fly clip that I’ve used extensively in the sea with absolutely no problems. Surface work walking the dog, divers, sink an draw, done it all with never a hint of anything working loose.
It’s rated to 22lb, on 28lb wire, I’ve got 20lb braid on one reel and 15lb mono on the other so my line should go before the link.
Keeps things a bit more simple and subtle, the only issue I can think is that although there’s a swivel at the end of the trace, it probably isn’t any good for spinners/spoons but for Soft and Hard plastics it’ll be fine ?!?
Whaddayathink ?!?!? Be gentle
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Martin Ward P.A.C. wrote: ↑Fri Jan 04 2019 12:39 -The vast majority of us managed perfectly well with 15lb mono for decades before braid became popular Martin?? As long as the tackle`s balanced and he`s not chucking big lures then there`s nothing wrong with it...Flipflopjoe wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17 2018 15:22 -Sorry to sound like the Piking Police but I don't think you should be using 20lb braid or 15lb mono for pike fishing......as for the hook I would not trust it on any form of predator fishing. I know you will say you have never had a problem but believe me you will. We all hear stories of fat men living til 90 on a diet of beer and fish and chips but it does not mean you should try itHere’s a curve ball, what do you think about this ???
F0457735-B6D1-44E8-B220-A0CFAF6D75BC.jpeg
It’s basically an XL fly clip that I’ve used extensively in the sea with absolutely no problems. Surface work walking the dog, divers, sink an draw, done it all with never a hint of anything working loose.
It’s rated to 22lb, on 28lb wire, I’ve got 20lb braid on one reel and 15lb mono on the other so my line should go before the link.
Keeps things a bit more simple and subtle, the only issue I can think is that although there’s a swivel at the end of the trace, it probably isn’t any good for spinners/spoons but for Soft and Hard plastics it’ll be fine ?!?
Whaddayathink ?!?!? Be gentle
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Mark_Houghton wrote: ↑Fri Jan 04 2019 12:50 -Me too Mark but by the time you weaken (particularly braid) by knotting it I see no point in using anything so vulnarable, I use to cast lures with 10lb Mono in the belief that lures caught only jacks but theres "then and theres now" and I just think we should move forward, braids are now so thin I see no point in dropping below 30lb PP....anyway its just a viewMartin Ward P.A.C. wrote: ↑Fri Jan 04 2019 12:39 -The vast majority of us managed perfectly well with 15lb mono for decades before braid became popular Martin?? As long as the tackle`s balanced and he`s not chucking big lures then there`s nothing wrong with it...Flipflopjoe wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17 2018 15:22 -Sorry to sound like the Piking Police but I don't think you should be using 20lb braid or 15lb mono for pike fishing......as for the hook I would not trust it on any form of predator fishing. I know you will say you have never had a problem but believe me you will. We all hear stories of fat men living til 90 on a diet of beer and fish and chips but it does not mean you should try itHere’s a curve ball, what do you think about this ???
F0457735-B6D1-44E8-B220-A0CFAF6D75BC.jpeg
It’s basically an XL fly clip that I’ve used extensively in the sea with absolutely no problems. Surface work walking the dog, divers, sink an draw, done it all with never a hint of anything working loose.
It’s rated to 22lb, on 28lb wire, I’ve got 20lb braid on one reel and 15lb mono on the other so my line should go before the link.
Keeps things a bit more simple and subtle, the only issue I can think is that although there’s a swivel at the end of the trace, it probably isn’t any good for spinners/spoons but for Soft and Hard plastics it’ll be fine ?!?
Whaddayathink ?!?!? Be gentle
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John Milford wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17 2018 13:55 -Big brands can let you down too.I used Berkley swivels for 20 years and then broke one on a cast.That's all it takes to lose confidence in a brand.Whatever the type of clip used, I suppose the most important thing is to buy quality, branded products like Rosco, Sampo, Berkley, Rapala, or anyone who has a big brand reputation to maintain. We all spend hundreds of pounds on top lures, rods, line, wire and reels, so why balk as paying a few bob extra on the final link and scrimp with cheap, bulk looky-likies?
Quality control on construction, wire temper and strength are probably more critical than the type most of the time?
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Martin Ward P.A.C. wrote: ↑Fri Jan 04 2019 13:14 -Thin braids have way less abrasion resistance than a decent 15lb mono Martin. If fishing snaggy swims a thin diameter braid isnt the best idea tbh. A lot of the bait lads still use mono in rocky swims up in Scotland etc for that reason. The only drawback with mono is that there`s less chance of getting a lure back from a snag if you hit one, compared to heavier b.s braids.Mark_Houghton wrote: ↑Fri Jan 04 2019 12:50 -Me too Mark but by the time you weaken (particularly braid) by knotting it I see no point in using anything so vulnarable, I use to cast lures with 10lb Mono in the belief that lures caught only jacks but theres "then and theres now" and I just think we should move forward, braids are now so thin I see no point in dropping below 30lb PP....anyway its just a viewMartin Ward P.A.C. wrote: ↑Fri Jan 04 2019 12:39 -The vast majority of us managed perfectly well with 15lb mono for decades before braid became popular Martin?? As long as the tackle`s balanced and he`s not chucking big lures then there`s nothing wrong with it...Flipflopjoe wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17 2018 15:22 -Sorry to sound like the Piking Police but I don't think you should be using 20lb braid or 15lb mono for pike fishing......as for the hook I would not trust it on any form of predator fishing. I know you will say you have never had a problem but believe me you will. We all hear stories of fat men living til 90 on a diet of beer and fish and chips but it does not mean you should try itHere’s a curve ball, what do you think about this ???
F0457735-B6D1-44E8-B220-A0CFAF6D75BC.jpeg
It’s basically an XL fly clip that I’ve used extensively in the sea with absolutely no problems. Surface work walking the dog, divers, sink an draw, done it all with never a hint of anything working loose.
It’s rated to 22lb, on 28lb wire, I’ve got 20lb braid on one reel and 15lb mono on the other so my line should go before the link.
Keeps things a bit more simple and subtle, the only issue I can think is that although there’s a swivel at the end of the trace, it probably isn’t any good for spinners/spoons but for Soft and Hard plastics it’ll be fine ?!?
Whaddayathink ?!?!? Be gentle
Martin
A useful tip to retain 100% knot strength is to double the line when tying, mono or braid
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Martin Ward P.A.C. wrote: ↑Fri Jan 04 2019 12:39 -Can’t see the problem with 15lb mono but that’s in the bin,as is the20lb braid, I’ve upgraded my braid to 50lb stuff now so you can sleep easy.Flipflopjoe wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17 2018 15:22 -Sorry to sound like the Piking Police but I don't think you should be using 20lb braid or 15lb mono for pike fishing......as for the hook I would not trust it on any form of predator fishing. I know you will say you have never had a problem but believe me you will. We all hear stories of fat men living til 90 on a diet of beer and fish and chips but it does not mean you should try itHere’s a curve ball, what do you think about this ???
F0457735-B6D1-44E8-B220-A0CFAF6D75BC.jpeg
It’s basically an XL fly clip that I’ve used extensively in the sea with absolutely no problems. Surface work walking the dog, divers, sink an draw, done it all with never a hint of anything working loose.
It’s rated to 22lb, on 28lb wire, I’ve got 20lb braid on one reel and 15lb mono on the other so my line should go before the link.
Keeps things a bit more simple and subtle, the only issue I can think is that although there’s a swivel at the end of the trace, it probably isn’t any good for spinners/spoons but for Soft and Hard plastics it’ll be fine ?!?
Whaddayathink ?!?!? Be gentle
Which hook are you referring to ???
The diy double that was spoke about in a different thread ???
If so, can you elaborate please !
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Flipflopjoe wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17 2018 15:22 -Same thread Joe, You asked for an opinion and I gave you one. Not saying I am right on either subject. On the Mono/Braid I simply suggested the 15lb Mono and 20lb braid would not be my choice for pike fishing. When looking at line widths always assume Knot stength which can reduce you tackle by 25%, also never trust braid manufacturers claims, the only accurate way to rate braid is width and thats a minefield as well. I don't use mono but nothing less than 30lb Power Pro braid is safe for pike IMHO. I only mention PP as it's usually under rated and if you test it with a knot it will still exceed 30lb. Not seen the clip let alone clips that are open which I would call a hook but so many clips fail and plenty of crazy jacks I catch would disconnect that gadget whatever you choose to call it. My opinion obviously but thats what you asked forHere’s a curve ball, what do you think about this ???
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It’s basically an XL fly clip that I’ve used extensively in the sea with absolutely no problems. Surface work walking the dog, divers, sink an draw, done it all with never a hint of anything working loose.
It’s rated to 22lb, on 28lb wire, I’ve got 20lb braid on one reel and 15lb mono on the other so my line should go before the link.
Keeps things a bit more simple and subtle, the only issue I can think is that although there’s a swivel at the end of the trace, it probably isn’t any good for spinners/spoons but for Soft and Hard plastics it’ll be fine ?!?
Whaddayathink ?!?!? Be gentle
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Flipflopjoe wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17 2018 15:22 -It looks crap, imo.Here’s a curve ball, what do you think about this ???
F0457735-B6D1-44E8-B220-A0CFAF6D75BC.jpeg
It’s basically an XL fly clip that I’ve used extensively in the sea with absolutely no problems. Surface work walking the dog, divers, sink an draw, done it all with never a hint of anything working loose.
It’s rated to 22lb, on 28lb wire, I’ve got 20lb braid on one reel and 15lb mono on the other so my line should go before the link.
Keeps things a bit more simple and subtle, the only issue I can think is that although there’s a swivel at the end of the trace, it probably isn’t any good for spinners/spoons but for Soft and Hard plastics it’ll be fine ?!?
Whaddayathink ?!?!? Be gentle
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Martin Ward P.A.C. wrote: ↑Sat Jan 05 2019 00:06 -Fair enough mateFlipflopjoe wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17 2018 15:22 -Same thread Joe, You asked for an opinion and I gave you one. Not saying I am right on either subject. On the Mono/Braid I simply suggested the 15lb Mono and 20lb braid would not be my choice for pike fishing. When looking at line widths always assume Knot stength which can reduce you tackle by 25%, also never trust braid manufacturers claims, the only accurate way to rate braid is width and thats a minefield as well. I don't use mono but nothing less than 30lb Power Pro braid is safe for pike IMHO. I only mention PP as it's usually under rated and if you test it with a knot it will still exceed 30lb. Not seen the clip let alone clips that are open which I would call a hook but so many clips fail and plenty of crazy jacks I catch would disconnect that gadget whatever you choose to call it. My opinion obviously but thats what you asked forHere’s a curve ball, what do you think about this ???
F0457735-B6D1-44E8-B220-A0CFAF6D75BC.jpeg
It’s basically an XL fly clip that I’ve used extensively in the sea with absolutely no problems. Surface work walking the dog, divers, sink an draw, done it all with never a hint of anything working loose.
It’s rated to 22lb, on 28lb wire, I’ve got 20lb braid on one reel and 15lb mono on the other so my line should go before the link.
Keeps things a bit more simple and subtle, the only issue I can think is that although there’s a swivel at the end of the trace, it probably isn’t any good for spinners/spoons but for Soft and Hard plastics it’ll be fine ?!?
Whaddayathink ?!?!? Be gentle
Regards
Martin
I do test my braid each time I get it and I’m getting my head round this heavy set up culture for pike, coming from bass lure fishing we’re you want things as light as you can get away with its just me learning and changing my mindset for different disciplines. Like I said, I’m up onto 50lb braid on my lure rod now, my bait rods with be getting changed in the very near future and that clip has been changed for Gemini clip rated to over 50lb. I’m also looking to up grade my whole set up to a rod an reel that will cast up 100-120g (I’m rated up to 40g at the mo ) so I can chuck the bigger lures and I will be putting heavier braid on this, so it’s taking time but I’m getting there as I get more experience. I don’t like to pester and ask millions of daft questions, I research and use trial and error on my own, hopefully not to the detriment of any fish, so I would never knowingly do anything that could cause them problems.
To the best of my knowledge, all my catches so far have been returned safe and sound, no snap offs with or without fish hooked, although I’ve lost the odd lure , all have swam off, none have gone belly up straight away at my feet, all have been unhooked , photographed and returned quickly from bait and lures.
I’m not a novice angler, just didn’t have masses of experience in fishing for pike so I’m learning. And without offending, just coz somebody tells me “this is the way it’s done”, doesn’t mean I’ll do it ! If it makes total sense then I’ll adapt to it but if I’m not sure, I experiment or trial different approaches to find a style that suits.
Just because people come on here an get something wrong doesn’t make them blundering idiots, just means they’re learning or experimenting as I have been
Sorry, rant over, not aimed at anyone in particular and if I’m honest I’ve generally had a welcoming reception from everyone on here so I was just venting !
Happy new year
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Andrew Croft wrote: ↑Sat Jan 05 2019 00:13 -It’s not crap used in the right set up for the right species...............but your right, it is crap for pikeFlipflopjoe wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17 2018 15:22 -It looks crap, imo.Here’s a curve ball, what do you think about this ???
F0457735-B6D1-44E8-B220-A0CFAF6D75BC.jpeg
It’s basically an XL fly clip that I’ve used extensively in the sea with absolutely no problems. Surface work walking the dog, divers, sink an draw, done it all with never a hint of anything working loose.
It’s rated to 22lb, on 28lb wire, I’ve got 20lb braid on one reel and 15lb mono on the other so my line should go before the link.
Keeps things a bit more simple and subtle, the only issue I can think is that although there’s a swivel at the end of the trace, it probably isn’t any good for spinners/spoons but for Soft and Hard plastics it’ll be fine ?!?
Whaddayathink ?!?!? Be gentle
It’s been changed
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Flipflopjoe wrote: ↑Sat Jan 05 2019 10:08 -Martin Ward P.A.C. wrote: ↑Sat Jan 05 2019 00:06 -Fair enough mateFlipflopjoe wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17 2018 15:22 -Same thread Joe, You asked for an opinion and I gave you one. Not saying I am right on either subject. On the Mono/Braid I simply suggested the 15lb Mono and 20lb braid would not be my choice for pike fishing. When looking at line widths always assume Knot stength which can reduce you tackle by 25%, also never trust braid manufacturers claims, the only accurate way to rate braid is width and thats a minefield as well. I don't use mono but nothing less than 30lb Power Pro braid is safe for pike IMHO. I only mention PP as it's usually under rated and if you test it with a knot it will still exceed 30lb. Not seen the clip let alone clips that are open which I would call a hook but so many clips fail and plenty of crazy jacks I catch would disconnect that gadget whatever you choose to call it. My opinion obviously but thats what you asked forHere’s a curve ball, what do you think about this ???
F0457735-B6D1-44E8-B220-A0CFAF6D75BC.jpeg
It’s basically an XL fly clip that I’ve used extensively in the sea with absolutely no problems. Surface work walking the dog, divers, sink an draw, done it all with never a hint of anything working loose.
It’s rated to 22lb, on 28lb wire, I’ve got 20lb braid on one reel and 15lb mono on the other so my line should go before the link.
Keeps things a bit more simple and subtle, the only issue I can think is that although there’s a swivel at the end of the trace, it probably isn’t any good for spinners/spoons but for Soft and Hard plastics it’ll be fine ?!?
Whaddayathink ?!?!? Be gentle
Regards
Martin
I do test my braid each time I get it and I’m getting my head round this heavy set up culture for pike, coming from bass lure fishing we’re you want things as light as you can get away with its just me learning and changing my mindset for different disciplines. Like I said, I’m up onto 50lb braid on my lure rod now, my bait rods with be getting changed in the very near future and that clip has been changed for Gemini clip rated to over 50lb. I’m also looking to up grade my whole set up to a rod an reel that will cast up 100-120g (I’m rated up to 40g at the mo ) so I can chuck the bigger lures and I will be putting heavier braid on this, so it’s taking time but I’m getting there as I get more experience. I don’t like to pester and ask millions of daft questions, I research and use trial and error on my own, hopefully not to the detriment of any fish, so I would never knowingly do anything that could cause them problems.
To the best of my knowledge, all my catches so far have been returned safe and sound, no snap offs with or without fish hooked, although I’ve lost the odd lure , all have swam off, none have gone belly up straight away at my feet, all have been unhooked , photographed and returned quickly from bait and lures.
I’m not a novice angler, just didn’t have masses of experience in fishing for pike so I’m learning. And without offending, just coz somebody tells me “this is the way it’s done”, doesn’t mean I’ll do it ! If it makes total sense then I’ll adapt to it but if I’m not sure, I experiment or trial different approaches to find a style that suits.
Just because people come on here an get something wrong doesn’t make them blundering idiots, just means they’re learning or experimenting as I have been
Sorry, rant over, not aimed at anyone in particular and if I’m honest I’ve generally had a welcoming reception from everyone on here so I was just venting !
Happy new year
Hi Joe,
Im also a shore gamer and Ive caught the majority of my top fish from the shore, my first on an Allcocks split cane rod, gold Ambidex, 6lb Platil and a German sprat, progressing to J14s and ferruled glass rods thro Lunkers to Lucky Strikes on and top Japanese rods, reels and PE braids.
The difference in shore gaming bass and lure fishing pike is that a bass from the shore offers little but hard runs and near surface fighting (unless your fishing from a high position) whereas a pike is nearly always hooked close to snags, sunken debris or dense weed and even if a fish fights well away from such problems you still require strong enough line to bend your hooks out when you snag up.
My reels are Shim 401Ds but they could never take the pressure required to break my 100lb Spiderwire which apart from bending my hooks/rings out I have used to drag in a huge sunken branch, half a garden seat and recently a bike frame.
You obviously know that bass sized lures will catch pike, but when your fully loaded for bear try a serious sized pike lure for bass
(Remember the 20+ a few years back that coughed up a 1lb Pout when it was landed)
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Re: Quick Clip
Mike J wrote: ↑Sat Jan 05 2019 11:26 -Yeah I agree with you to a certain point but a lot of the places I Bass fish are full of submerged rocks and reefs and forests of kelp and japweed, which are obviously where the bass hang out and hunt. I have seen fellas smashed up on these reefs and tied up in knots round the weed (might have happened to me once or twice as well ), but 20lb (0.16) braid is the norm and a personal preference if you use some sort of leader. I normally use a 24-30” fluoro leader of about 12-15lb bs attached via an FG knot and one of the previously mentioned clips. The lighter set up helps against tidal flow and weed as you probably know so is a balance between strength and function.Flipflopjoe wrote: ↑Sat Jan 05 2019 10:08 -Martin Ward P.A.C. wrote: ↑Sat Jan 05 2019 00:06 -Fair enough mateFlipflopjoe wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17 2018 15:22 -Same thread Joe, You asked for an opinion and I gave you one. Not saying I am right on either subject. On the Mono/Braid I simply suggested the 15lb Mono and 20lb braid would not be my choice for pike fishing. When looking at line widths always assume Knot stength which can reduce you tackle by 25%, also never trust braid manufacturers claims, the only accurate way to rate braid is width and thats a minefield as well. I don't use mono but nothing less than 30lb Power Pro braid is safe for pike IMHO. I only mention PP as it's usually under rated and if you test it with a knot it will still exceed 30lb. Not seen the clip let alone clips that are open which I would call a hook but so many clips fail and plenty of crazy jacks I catch would disconnect that gadget whatever you choose to call it. My opinion obviously but thats what you asked forHere’s a curve ball, what do you think about this ???
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It’s basically an XL fly clip that I’ve used extensively in the sea with absolutely no problems. Surface work walking the dog, divers, sink an draw, done it all with never a hint of anything working loose.
It’s rated to 22lb, on 28lb wire, I’ve got 20lb braid on one reel and 15lb mono on the other so my line should go before the link.
Keeps things a bit more simple and subtle, the only issue I can think is that although there’s a swivel at the end of the trace, it probably isn’t any good for spinners/spoons but for Soft and Hard plastics it’ll be fine ?!?
Whaddayathink ?!?!? Be gentle
Regards
Martin
I do test my braid each time I get it and I’m getting my head round this heavy set up culture for pike, coming from bass lure fishing we’re you want things as light as you can get away with its just me learning and changing my mindset for different disciplines. Like I said, I’m up onto 50lb braid on my lure rod now, my bait rods with be getting changed in the very near future and that clip has been changed for Gemini clip rated to over 50lb. I’m also looking to up grade my whole set up to a rod an reel that will cast up 100-120g (I’m rated up to 40g at the mo ) so I can chuck the bigger lures and I will be putting heavier braid on this, so it’s taking time but I’m getting there as I get more experience. I don’t like to pester and ask millions of daft questions, I research and use trial and error on my own, hopefully not to the detriment of any fish, so I would never knowingly do anything that could cause them problems.
To the best of my knowledge, all my catches so far have been returned safe and sound, no snap offs with or without fish hooked, although I’ve lost the odd lure , all have swam off, none have gone belly up straight away at my feet, all have been unhooked , photographed and returned quickly from bait and lures.
I’m not a novice angler, just didn’t have masses of experience in fishing for pike so I’m learning. And without offending, just coz somebody tells me “this is the way it’s done”, doesn’t mean I’ll do it ! If it makes total sense then I’ll adapt to it but if I’m not sure, I experiment or trial different approaches to find a style that suits.
Just because people come on here an get something wrong doesn’t make them blundering idiots, just means they’re learning or experimenting as I have been
Sorry, rant over, not aimed at anyone in particular and if I’m honest I’ve generally had a welcoming reception from everyone on here so I was just venting !
Happy new year
Hi Joe,
Im also a shore gamer and Ive caught the majority of my top fish from the shore, my first on an Allcocks split cane rod, gold Ambidex, 6lb Platil and a German sprat, progressing to J14s and ferruled glass rods thro Lunkers to Lucky Strikes on and top Japanese rods, reels and PE braids.
The difference in shore gaming bass and lure fishing pike is that a bass from the shore offers little but hard runs and near surface fighting (unless your fishing from a high position) whereas a pike is nearly always hooked close to snags, sunken debris or dense weed and even if a fish fights well away from such problems you still require strong enough line to bend your hooks out when you snag up.
My reels are Shim 401Ds but they could never take the pressure required to break my 100lb Spiderwire which apart from bending my hooks/rings out I have used to drag in a huge sunken branch, half a garden seat and recently a bike frame.
You obviously know that bass sized lures will catch pike, but when your fully loaded for bear try a serious sized pike lure for bass
(Remember the 20+ a few years back that coughed up a 1lb Pout when it was landed)
I get the whole heavy set up for pike tho, hence why I’m going that way in my set up, it makes sense and generally doesn’t seem to spook them having a length of tow rope attached to an alien looking piece of soft plastic with sharp things hanging off it so that’s good
I haven’t heard of this 20lber story tbh but I’ll be looking it up now, and my heavy set up I’m looking at getting, I want to get a baitcaster that will be ok to use in saltwater for the exact reason you’ve put. To chuck some big feckers around for Bass’zilla
Joe Birch
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Re: Quick Clip
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Re the 20+, you have a PM.
Re the 20+, you have a PM.
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Re: Quick Clip
Flipflopjoe wrote: ↑Sat Jan 05 2019 10:08 -Had I spoke to you personally I would not have come accross so harshly but I am old enough and ugly enough to now say what I know to be right. I have heavy PP on one set up for when I throw Dawgs and other big rubbers but for most of my luring I use 30lb PP happily. As others have said the thing you called a clip hardly qualifies as anything you would want a pike to grab hold of. Ive had a broads 30 and plenty of 20s over the years and believe me with a big fish on the end you want everthing to be right at the sharp end but really it the smaller fish that give your tackle the real test. When a 6 or 7 pounders goes crazy that hook of yours would not stand a chance and to risk everything on light line when its not necassary is a no brainer.....Don't worry about rantingMartin Ward P.A.C. wrote: ↑Sat Jan 05 2019 00:06 -Fair enough mateFlipflopjoe wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17 2018 15:22 -Same thread Joe, You asked for an opinion and I gave you one. Not saying I am right on either subject. On the Mono/Braid I simply suggested the 15lb Mono and 20lb braid would not be my choice for pike fishing. When looking at line widths always assume Knot stength which can reduce you tackle by 25%, also never trust braid manufacturers claims, the only accurate way to rate braid is width and thats a minefield as well. I don't use mono but nothing less than 30lb Power Pro braid is safe for pike IMHO. I only mention PP as it's usually under rated and if you test it with a knot it will still exceed 30lb. Not seen the clip let alone clips that are open which I would call a hook but so many clips fail and plenty of crazy jacks I catch would disconnect that gadget whatever you choose to call it. My opinion obviously but thats what you asked forHere’s a curve ball, what do you think about this ???
F0457735-B6D1-44E8-B220-A0CFAF6D75BC.jpeg
It’s basically an XL fly clip that I’ve used extensively in the sea with absolutely no problems. Surface work walking the dog, divers, sink an draw, done it all with never a hint of anything working loose.
It’s rated to 22lb, on 28lb wire, I’ve got 20lb braid on one reel and 15lb mono on the other so my line should go before the link.
Keeps things a bit more simple and subtle, the only issue I can think is that although there’s a swivel at the end of the trace, it probably isn’t any good for spinners/spoons but for Soft and Hard plastics it’ll be fine ?!?
Whaddayathink ?!?!? Be gentle
Regards
Martin
I do test my braid each time I get it and I’m getting my head round this heavy set up culture for pike, coming from bass lure fishing we’re you want things as light as you can get away with its just me learning and changing my mindset for different disciplines. Like I said, I’m up onto 50lb braid on my lure rod now, my bait rods with be getting changed in the very near future and that clip has been changed for Gemini clip rated to over 50lb. I’m also looking to up grade my whole set up to a rod an reel that will cast up 100-120g (I’m rated up to 40g at the mo ) so I can chuck the bigger lures and I will be putting heavier braid on this, so it’s taking time but I’m getting there as I get more experience. I don’t like to pester and ask millions of daft questions, I research and use trial and error on my own, hopefully not to the detriment of any fish, so I would never knowingly do anything that could cause them problems.
To the best of my knowledge, all my catches so far have been returned safe and sound, no snap offs with or without fish hooked, although I’ve lost the odd lure , all have swam off, none have gone belly up straight away at my feet, all have been unhooked , photographed and returned quickly from bait and lures.
I’m not a novice angler, just didn’t have masses of experience in fishing for pike so I’m learning. And without offending, just coz somebody tells me “this is the way it’s done”, doesn’t mean I’ll do it ! If it makes total sense then I’ll adapt to it but if I’m not sure, I experiment or trial different approaches to find a style that suits.
Just because people come on here an get something wrong doesn’t make them blundering idiots, just means they’re learning or experimenting as I have been
Sorry, rant over, not aimed at anyone in particular and if I’m honest I’ve generally had a welcoming reception from everyone on here so I was just venting !
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Re: Quick Clip
I use these: https://goo.gl/images/6FLNai
Initially I was a bit sceptical, thought a lively / jumping pike might be able to throw the lure round. Hasn't happened yet, have been using them quite a while. And I don't now see how it could. There's also no risk of metal fatigue, as there's nothing opening / closing each time you use it. And they're great if you have cold hands etc. Nothing fiddly.
Only downside is, when I break rods down, it can't easily clip on to a rod ring.
Initially I was a bit sceptical, thought a lively / jumping pike might be able to throw the lure round. Hasn't happened yet, have been using them quite a while. And I don't now see how it could. There's also no risk of metal fatigue, as there's nothing opening / closing each time you use it. And they're great if you have cold hands etc. Nothing fiddly.
Only downside is, when I break rods down, it can't easily clip on to a rod ring.
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Re: Quick Clip
Oh - I posted that before seeing the second page. It now looks a bit of an abrupt change in tone. Worth qualifying, maybe - I use this on my lighter lure set up, lures to about 80g. Think from memory that the clip's rated to 75lb.
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