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A warning in case anyone is thinking of buying this lure off Ebay ..

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Huge-trollin ... 1438.l2649

I bought 3 similar lures on here and they are fish killers !

The line ties on the vane are barely tacked on .
I lost one of mine while I was retrieving it , the line tie came off!
Luckily there was no fish on the end ....
I checked the other 2 I had and with a quarter turn with my fingers line ties also came off .

I messaged the seller to make him aware but he claimed it was nothing to him as he didn`t make them .

May not be the same seller , but the user name on here and Ebay are very similar .....

Rgds , Pat
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Cheers for the warning Pat
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Yes same seller. Best stick with high end baits from now on Pat, that Derg 92 lber is not worth the risk :narfuk:
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Thats the problem with being interested in off the wall lures , bound to meet a couple of baduns ! :mad:

I`d be happy with a 9.2 lber these times Steve. :laughs:

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Time to move on then Pat.. heard Conn did a 53lber :lol:
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..... rumour has it could of been prototype a 12โ€ Mattlock !
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5K travel restriction here :grin:
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5k by road, launch 10+k by boat ?
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aye thats 100% the same guy. and he's claiming he didnt make them ?

look at the orange one here hes trying to get a price on: viewtopic.php?f=58&t=43357&p=672088

matches the orange one sold here. 2nd pic on ebay has same damage(2 dents?):
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Huge-trollin ... SwvypgRQ9f

sorry this happened to you Roy. he should be giving you a refund for dodgy lures hes making.

it's alright though Jon Sykes says he's cool.
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To be fair, there are plenty of warning signs that the maker of the lure has no idea what he's doing.

1) The nose tie is way too high to work at all.

2) The lip ties were clearly not wired though and are also in a position that will not work anyway :dizzy:

3) The laughably undersized hooks

To make and sell a "custom lure" requires no experience or qualifications, so literally anyone can chuck something together and stick it on eBay. However, the clues were there that it would almost certainly be bin-worthy. I bet it was cheap though! :laughs:
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royboy wrote: โ†‘Mon Apr 05 2021 17:38 -
A warning in case anyone is thinking of buying this lure off Ebay ..

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Huge-trollin ... 1438.l2649

I bought 3 similar lures on here and they are fish killers !

The line ties on the vane are barely tacked on .
I lost one of mine while I was retrieving it , the line tie came off!
Luckily there was no fish on the end ....
I checked the other 2 I had and with a quarter turn with my fingers line ties also came off .

I messaged the seller to make him aware but he claimed it was nothing to him as he didn`t make them .

May not be the same seller , but the user name on here and Ebay are very similar .....

Rgds , Pat
Thanks for the heads up ,thatโ€™s not good form by the seller.Can you not raise a dispute on eBay until you get a refund? Also be sure to leave negative feedback if itโ€™s not sorted๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
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suffolk si wrote: โ†‘Mon Apr 05 2021 20:41 -
royboy wrote: โ†‘Mon Apr 05 2021 17:38 -
A warning in case anyone is thinking of buying this lure off Ebay ..

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Huge-trollin ... 1438.l2649

I bought 3 similar lures on here and they are fish killers !

The line ties on the vane are barely tacked on .
I lost one of mine while I was retrieving it , the line tie came off!
Luckily there was no fish on the end ....
I checked the other 2 I had and with a quarter turn with my fingers line ties also came off .

I messaged the seller to make him aware but he claimed it was nothing to him as he didn`t make them .

May not be the same seller , but the user name on here and Ebay are very similar .....

Rgds , Pat
Thanks for the heads up ,thatโ€™s not good form by the seller.Can you not raise a dispute on eBay until you get a refund? Also be sure to leave negative feedback if itโ€™s not sorted๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
They were bought on here Si from the chuckle borthers (cammyburn) :sad:
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That response from the seller is shocking
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Steve Dennington wrote: โ†‘Mon Apr 05 2021 20:41 -
To be fair, there are plenty of warning signs that the maker of the lure has no idea what he's doing.

1) The nose tie is way too high to work at all.

2) The lip ties were clearly not wired though and are also in a position that will not work anyway :dizzy:

3) The laughably undersized hooks

To make and sell a "custom lure" requires no experience or qualifications, so literally anyone can chuck something together and stick it on eBay. However, the clues were there that it would almost certainly be bin-worthy. I bet it was cheap though! :laughs:
those hooks man :lol:
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Steve Dennington wrote: โ†‘Mon Apr 05 2021 20:41 -
To be fair, there are plenty of warning signs that the maker of the lure has no idea what he's doing.

1) The nose tie is way too high to work at all.

2) The lip ties were clearly not wired though and are also in a position that will not work anyway :dizzy:

3) The laughably undersized hooks

To make and sell a "custom lure" requires no experience or qualifications, so literally anyone can chuck something together and stick it on eBay. However, the clues were there that it would almost certainly be bin-worthy. I bet it was cheap though! :laughs:
To be fair Steve Headlocks and Mattlocks are screw eye and Iโ€™ve never heard of any problems. Through wire has got to be the way to go though.
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I bought 3 of the trolling lures here on the pit .........

The heads up is because he continues to sell them on ebay even after being told of the faulty line ties on the vanes .

These are fish killers !
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Andrew Croft wrote: โ†‘Mon Apr 05 2021 20:44 -
suffolk si wrote: โ†‘Mon Apr 05 2021 20:41 -
royboy wrote: โ†‘Mon Apr 05 2021 17:38 -
A warning in case anyone is thinking of buying this lure off Ebay ..

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Huge-trollin ... 1438.l2649

I bought 3 similar lures on here and they are fish killers !

The line ties on the vane are barely tacked on .
I lost one of mine while I was retrieving it , the line tie came off!
Luckily there was no fish on the end ....
I checked the other 2 I had and with a quarter turn with my fingers line ties also came off .

I messaged the seller to make him aware but he claimed it was nothing to him as he didn`t make them .

May not be the same seller , but the user name on here and Ebay are very similar .....

Rgds , Pat
Thanks for the heads up ,thatโ€™s not good form by the seller.Can you not raise a dispute on eBay until you get a refund? Also be sure to leave negative feedback if itโ€™s not sorted๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
They were bought on here Si from the chuckle borthers (cammyburn) :sad:
Oh s**t! And now heโ€™s selling them on eBay? Have the brothers been on here lately?
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suffolk si wrote: โ†‘Mon Apr 05 2021 21:07 -
Andrew Croft wrote: โ†‘Mon Apr 05 2021 20:44 -
suffolk si wrote: โ†‘Mon Apr 05 2021 20:41 -
royboy wrote: โ†‘Mon Apr 05 2021 17:38 -
A warning in case anyone is thinking of buying this lure off Ebay ..

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Huge-trollin ... 1438.l2649

I bought 3 similar lures on here and they are fish killers !

The line ties on the vane are barely tacked on .
I lost one of mine while I was retrieving it , the line tie came off!
Luckily there was no fish on the end ....
I checked the other 2 I had and with a quarter turn with my fingers line ties also came off .

I messaged the seller to make him aware but he claimed it was nothing to him as he didn`t make them .

May not be the same seller , but the user name on here and Ebay are very similar .....

Rgds , Pat
Thanks for the heads up ,thatโ€™s not good form by the seller.Can you not raise a dispute on eBay until you get a refund? Also be sure to leave negative feedback if itโ€™s not sorted๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
They were bought on here Si from the chuckle borthers (cammyburn) :sad:
Oh s**t! And now heโ€™s selling them on eBay? Have the brothers been on here lately?
looks that way. cant prove it but my money is on him making the lures :giggle: eitherway poor form on his comment imo
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suffolk si wrote: โ†‘Mon Apr 05 2021 21:07 -
Andrew Croft wrote: โ†‘Mon Apr 05 2021 20:44 -
suffolk si wrote: โ†‘Mon Apr 05 2021 20:41 -
royboy wrote: โ†‘Mon Apr 05 2021 17:38 -
A warning in case anyone is thinking of buying this lure off Ebay ..

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Huge-trollin ... 1438.l2649

I bought 3 similar lures on here and they are fish killers !

The line ties on the vane are barely tacked on .
I lost one of mine while I was retrieving it , the line tie came off!
Luckily there was no fish on the end ....
I checked the other 2 I had and with a quarter turn with my fingers line ties also came off .

I messaged the seller to make him aware but he claimed it was nothing to him as he didn`t make them .

May not be the same seller , but the user name on here and Ebay are very similar .....

Rgds , Pat
Thanks for the heads up ,thatโ€™s not good form by the seller.Can you not raise a dispute on eBay until you get a refund? Also be sure to leave negative feedback if itโ€™s not sorted๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
They were bought on here Si from the chuckle borthers (cammyburn) :sad:
Oh s**t! And now heโ€™s selling them on eBay? Have the brothers been on here lately?
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Steve Le maitre wrote: โ†‘Mon Apr 05 2021 20:49 -
Steve Dennington wrote: โ†‘Mon Apr 05 2021 20:41 -
To be fair, there are plenty of warning signs that the maker of the lure has no idea what he's doing.

1) The nose tie is way too high to work at all.

2) The lip ties were clearly not wired though and are also in a position that will not work anyway :dizzy:

3) The laughably undersized hooks

To make and sell a "custom lure" requires no experience or qualifications, so literally anyone can chuck something together and stick it on eBay. However, the clues were there that it would almost certainly be bin-worthy. I bet it was cheap though! :laughs:
To be fair Steve Headlocks and Mattlocks are screw eye and Iโ€™ve never heard of any problems. Through wire has got to be the way to go though.
Don't get me wrong, screw eyes are 100% reliable, if used correctly.

Top quality stainless screw eyes are good enough for the makers of the very best lures in the world, and they are rock solid if the maker doesn't do something daft. I saw a pic recently of an irate musky angler with just a screw eye attached to his leader and he blamed screw eyes. Not the guy that made the lure, who I'll bet drilled pilot holes too large, allowing that screw eye to rip out. I've tested screw eyes in cedar and it's impossible to rip them out - they'll open up first.
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Steve Dennington wrote: โ†‘Mon Apr 05 2021 21:18 -
Steve Le maitre wrote: โ†‘Mon Apr 05 2021 20:49 -
Steve Dennington wrote: โ†‘Mon Apr 05 2021 20:41 -
To be fair, there are plenty of warning signs that the maker of the lure has no idea what he's doing.

1) The nose tie is way too high to work at all.

2) The lip ties were clearly not wired though and are also in a position that will not work anyway :dizzy:

3) The laughably undersized hooks

To make and sell a "custom lure" requires no experience or qualifications, so literally anyone can chuck something together and stick it on eBay. However, the clues were there that it would almost certainly be bin-worthy. I bet it was cheap though! :laughs:
To be fair Steve Headlocks and Mattlocks are screw eye and Iโ€™ve never heard of any problems. Through wire has got to be the way to go though.
Don't get me wrong, screw eyes are 100% reliable, if used correctly.

Top quality stainless screw eyes are good enough for the makers of the very best lures in the world, and they are rock solid if the maker doesn't do something daft. I saw a pic recently of an irate musky angler with just a screw eye attached to his leader and he blamed screw eyes. Not the guy that made the lure, who I'll bet drilled pilot holes too large, allowing that screw eye to rip out. I've tested screw eyes in cedar and it's impossible to rip them out - they'll open up first.
Length is important (๐Ÿ™ˆ) have a go heroes using curtain screw eyes wont cut it.

I wonder what length the hook hangers are on these lures rob ?
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The only issue I have with the lure are the line ties on the vanes ........ and of course the response of the seller !

I tried pulling the hook eyes with a pliers , no issue there .
Lure itself is made from a dense wood , paint job is not bad and some nice glass eyes .
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Andrew Croft wrote: โ†‘Mon Apr 05 2021 21:37 -
Length is important (๐Ÿ™ˆ) have a go heroes using curtain screw eyes wont cut it.

I wonder what length the hook hangers are on these lures rob ?
Length is important, but Cobb's lures are made from cedar and have 1", 1.9mm screw eyes on the belly of a lot of them. How many failures have you heard of? I haven't heard of a single one, ever. Most of my big baits have 2" or even 2.5" screw eyes in the nose.

Installed correctly, they will open up before pulling out every time, and even that will take a huge amount of force. I epoxy a lot of mine to resist twisting, but it's really not necessary, particularly if multiple coats of epoxy coat them anyway.

However, all screw eyes are not equal. I bought some that I could bend with my fingers and they got binned, but they looked just like the proper stainless ones that I'd used before. As always, a cheap price is such for a reason...
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royboy wrote: โ†‘Mon Apr 05 2021 21:49 -
The only issue I have with the lure are the line ties on the vanes ........ and of course the response of the seller !

I tried pulling the hook eyes with a pliers , no issue there .
Lure itself is made from a dense wood , paint job is not bad and some nice glass eyes .
Again, there's a very good reason why most highly rated wooden cranks are made from balsa or cedar, not hardwood. The action is so much better.
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Wow , I`d better chuck my own homemade lures then , as their only made from teak and mahogany window frame cutoffs !! :grin: :grin:
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royboy wrote: โ†‘Tue Apr 06 2021 00:00 -
Wow , I`d better chuck my own homemade lures then , as their only made from teak and mahogany window frame cutoffs !! :grin: :grin:
Good stuff for glidebaits, not so much for cranks.
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I use these on my lures .......... everything works just fine ..........
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Though this thread has deviated from being a warning about a seller of dodgy lures ........
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royboy wrote: โ†‘Tue Apr 06 2021 11:15 -
Though this thread has deviated from being a warning about a seller of dodgy lures ........
A warning with some good info on how not to make dodgy lures :thumbs:
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royboy wrote: โ†‘Tue Apr 06 2021 11:11 -
I use these on my lures .......... everything works just fine ..........
I've used those. They work well :thumbs:
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