Shallow diving lures for pike and perch
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Re: Shallow diving lures for pike and perch
Bit late on this but a little estate lake I fish is full of hornwort and silkweed and always fishes well on small spinnerbaits.
Depends on type of weed your fishing through but I've found a fast retrieve over the weedbeds is deadly for Pike and better Perch. Its clear and similar depth to lake you mentioned. These are the ones: https://www.fishingmegastore.com/bladed ... 70337.html
Even fouled a nice male Tench int dorsal last time, thought it was a big Pike until I saw it
Depends on type of weed your fishing through but I've found a fast retrieve over the weedbeds is deadly for Pike and better Perch. Its clear and similar depth to lake you mentioned. These are the ones: https://www.fishingmegastore.com/bladed ... 70337.html
Even fouled a nice male Tench int dorsal last time, thought it was a big Pike until I saw it
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Re: Shallow diving lures for pike and perch
Sebas wrote: βTue Jul 26 2022 22:56 -I have some spinnerbaits like thatBit late on this but a little estate lake I fish is full of hornwort and silkweed and always fishes well on small spinnerbaits.
Depends on type of weed your fishing through but I've found a fast retrieve over the weedbeds is deadly for Pike and better Perch. Its clear and similar depth to lake you mentioned. These are the ones: https://www.fishingmegastore.com/bladed ... 70337.html
Even fouled a nice male Tench int dorsal last time, thought it was a big Pike until I saw it
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Re: Shallow diving lures for pike and perch
Taffypiker wrote: βMon Jul 25 2022 18:28 -Less than a kg of boilies or 2.5 pints maggots. An effective lure is worth the spend.Pikerd74 wrote: βMon Jul 25 2022 15:53 -Thank youTaffypiker wrote: βMon Jul 25 2022 13:46 -Try sovereign superbaitsJohn Milford wrote: βSun Jul 24 2022 22:38 -So being as some git has trousered the last few .....what else can you suggest John?On any waters where weed comes close to the surface, the Manns 1 Minus is a superb lure.
They come in four sizes: 1 Minus, Mid 1 Minus, Baby 1 Minus and Tiny 1 Minus. Dont worry too much about sizes, I've had pike, chub and perch on the largest one, although the Mid and Baby are better for chub and perch. I've not bothered with the Tiny size as the first three are all very good.
They are expensive, but I cannot stress too much how good they are. I wouldn't swap one for a whole handful of Big S or similar cheap plugs.
(Bobco Tackle seem quite good on price for them currently).
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John Milford wrote: βSun Jul 24 2022 22:38 -Would you describe the smallest of the big s range from shakespeare to be a microcrankbait ?On any waters where weed comes close to the surface, the Manns 1 Minus is a superb lure.
They come in four sizes: 1 Minus, Mid 1 Minus, Baby 1 Minus and Tiny 1 Minus. Dont worry too much about sizes, I've had pike, chub and perch on the largest one, although the Mid and Baby are better for chub and perch. I've not bothered with the Tiny size as the first three are all very good.
They are expensive, but I cannot stress too much how good they are. I wouldn't swap one for a whole handful of Big S or similar cheap plugs.
(Bobco Tackle seem quite good on price for them currently).
It's about 6 g
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Re: Shallow diving lures for pike and perch
Taffypiker wrote: βWed Aug 10 2022 18:48 -I'd call it small, but not micro Taffy.John Milford wrote: βSun Jul 24 2022 22:38 -Would you describe the smallest of the big s range from shakespeare to be a microcrankbait ?On any waters where weed comes close to the surface, the Manns 1 Minus is a superb lure.
They come in four sizes: 1 Minus, Mid 1 Minus, Baby 1 Minus and Tiny 1 Minus. Dont worry too much about sizes, I've had pike, chub and perch on the largest one, although the Mid and Baby are better for chub and perch. I've not bothered with the Tiny size as the first three are all very good.
They are expensive, but I cannot stress too much how good they are. I wouldn't swap one for a whole handful of Big S or similar cheap plugs.
(Bobco Tackle seem quite good on price for them currently).
It's about 6 g
These diddy little fellahs are more in the micro range. Not quite the quality of something like a Yozuri 'Snap Bean', but very good for the money:
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John Milford wrote: βSun Jul 24 2022 22:38 -Yep, the 1 minus is a killer, punches way above its weight. The chrome silver pattern is the kiddie. Great on waters where you're just fishing for numbers and not chasing larger pike, but that said, I've had a few bigger fish on them. Cast like bullets as well. However, if there are a fair few doubles and bigger fish, I'd go straight for shallow jerk bait. Loads to choose from, but the shallow Buster is easy to find and easy to fish, they catch pike all day long. Spinnerbaits - yep... you want at short arm design with a big willow leaf blade to work through weed. It works well through most types of weed, apart from obviously silkweed, which will clog the swivel and even engulf the blade. I use ERC Grinders for fishing around and occasionally through weeds. It was designed for the job. On weedy Fen drains, using those is almost like cheating.On any waters where weed comes close to the surface, the Manns 1 Minus is a superb lure.
They come in four sizes: 1 Minus, Mid 1 Minus, Baby 1 Minus and Tiny 1 Minus. Dont worry too much about sizes, I've had pike, chub and perch on the largest one, although the Mid and Baby are better for chub and perch. I've not bothered with the Tiny size as the first three are all very good.
They are expensive, but I cannot stress too much how good they are. I wouldn't swap one for a whole handful of Big S or similar cheap plugs.
(Bobco Tackle seem quite good on price for them currently).
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Re: Shallow diving lures for pike and perch
John Milford wrote: βWed Aug 10 2022 21:29 -Where are these from John ?Taffypiker wrote: βWed Aug 10 2022 18:48 -I'd call it small, but not micro Taffy.John Milford wrote: βSun Jul 24 2022 22:38 -Would you describe the smallest of the big s range from shakespeare to be a microcrankbait ?On any waters where weed comes close to the surface, the Manns 1 Minus is a superb lure.
They come in four sizes: 1 Minus, Mid 1 Minus, Baby 1 Minus and Tiny 1 Minus. Dont worry too much about sizes, I've had pike, chub and perch on the largest one, although the Mid and Baby are better for chub and perch. I've not bothered with the Tiny size as the first three are all very good.
They are expensive, but I cannot stress too much how good they are. I wouldn't swap one for a whole handful of Big S or similar cheap plugs.
(Bobco Tackle seem quite good on price for them currently).
It's about 6 g
These diddy little fellahs are more in the micro range. Not quite the quality of something like a Yozuri 'Snap Bean', but very good for the money:
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Re: Shallow diving lures for pike and perch
Mark Phillips wrote: βWed Aug 10 2022 22:34 -Is that buster a westin lure ?John Milford wrote: βSun Jul 24 2022 22:38 -Yep, the 1 minus is a killer, punches way above its weight. The chrome silver pattern is the kiddie. Great on waters where you're just fishing for numbers and not chasing larger pike, but that said, I've had a few bigger fish on them. Cast like bullets as well. However, if there are a fair few doubles and bigger fish, I'd go straight for shallow jerk bait. Loads to choose from, but the shallow Buster is easy to find and easy to fish, they catch pike all day long. Spinnerbaits - yep... you want at short arm design with a big willow leaf blade to work through weed. It works well through most types of weed, apart from obviously silkweed, which will clog the swivel and even engulf the blade. I use ERC Grinders for fishing around and occasionally through weeds. It was designed for the job. On weedy Fen drains, using those is almost like cheating.On any waters where weed comes close to the surface, the Manns 1 Minus is a superb lure.
They come in four sizes: 1 Minus, Mid 1 Minus, Baby 1 Minus and Tiny 1 Minus. Dont worry too much about sizes, I've had pike, chub and perch on the largest one, although the Mid and Baby are better for chub and perch. I've not bothered with the Tiny size as the first three are all very good.
They are expensive, but I cannot stress too much how good they are. I wouldn't swap one for a whole handful of Big S or similar cheap plugs.
(Bobco Tackle seem quite good on price for them currently).
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Mark Phillips wrote: βWed Aug 10 2022 22:34 -The shorter arm with the blade on is streamlined ? Is that the idea ?John Milford wrote: βSun Jul 24 2022 22:38 -Yep, the 1 minus is a killer, punches way above its weight. The chrome silver pattern is the kiddie. Great on waters where you're just fishing for numbers and not chasing larger pike, but that said, I've had a few bigger fish on them. Cast like bullets as well. However, if there are a fair few doubles and bigger fish, I'd go straight for shallow jerk bait. Loads to choose from, but the shallow Buster is easy to find and easy to fish, they catch pike all day long. Spinnerbaits - yep... you want at short arm design with a big willow leaf blade to work through weed. It works well through most types of weed, apart from obviously silkweed, which will clog the swivel and even engulf the blade. I use ERC Grinders for fishing around and occasionally through weeds. It was designed for the job. On weedy Fen drains, using those is almost like cheating.On any waters where weed comes close to the surface, the Manns 1 Minus is a superb lure.
They come in four sizes: 1 Minus, Mid 1 Minus, Baby 1 Minus and Tiny 1 Minus. Dont worry too much about sizes, I've had pike, chub and perch on the largest one, although the Mid and Baby are better for chub and perch. I've not bothered with the Tiny size as the first three are all very good.
They are expensive, but I cannot stress too much how good they are. I wouldn't swap one for a whole handful of Big S or similar cheap plugs.
(Bobco Tackle seem quite good on price for them currently).
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Taffypiker wrote: βWed Aug 10 2022 23:55 -It's an ebay listing Taffy. Only one set left at that price, but there are others at only a little bit more.John Milford wrote: βWed Aug 10 2022 21:29 -Where are these from John ?Taffypiker wrote: βWed Aug 10 2022 18:48 -I'd call it small, but not micro Taffy.John Milford wrote: βSun Jul 24 2022 22:38 -Would you describe the smallest of the big s range from shakespeare to be a microcrankbait ?On any waters where weed comes close to the surface, the Manns 1 Minus is a superb lure.
They come in four sizes: 1 Minus, Mid 1 Minus, Baby 1 Minus and Tiny 1 Minus. Dont worry too much about sizes, I've had pike, chub and perch on the largest one, although the Mid and Baby are better for chub and perch. I've not bothered with the Tiny size as the first three are all very good.
They are expensive, but I cannot stress too much how good they are. I wouldn't swap one for a whole handful of Big S or similar cheap plugs.
(Bobco Tackle seem quite good on price for them currently).
It's about 6 g
These diddy little fellahs are more in the micro range. Not quite the quality of something like a Yozuri 'Snap Bean', but very good for the money:
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Taffypiker wrote: βWed Aug 10 2022 23:58 -Strike Pro. One of the best plastic glidebaits you can lay your hands on. Available in a range of sizes and a shallow version too that will float with a slow rise on the pause if you tinker with the hooks and split rings - deadly in shallow water or over weed.
Is that buster a westin lure ?
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Steve Dennington wrote: βThu Aug 11 2022 12:59 -There is also the Baby Buster which has worked well for me. Chuckable on normal spinning gear.Taffypiker wrote: βWed Aug 10 2022 23:58 -Strike Pro. One of the best plastic glidebaits you can lay your hands on. Available in a range of sizes and a shallow version too that will float with a slow rise on the pause if you tinker with the hooks and split rings - deadly in shallow water or over weed.
Is that buster a westin lure ?
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fossil-fish wrote: βThu Aug 11 2022 13:03 -Cracking little lure that oneThere is also the Baby Buster which has worked well for me. Chuckable on normal spinning gear.
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Steve Dennington wrote: βThu Aug 11 2022 12:59 -Thank youTaffypiker wrote: βWed Aug 10 2022 23:58 -Strike Pro. One of the best plastic glidebaits you can lay your hands on. Available in a range of sizes and a shallow version too that will float with a slow rise on the pause if you tinker with the hooks and split rings - deadly in shallow water or over weed.
Is that buster a westin lure ?
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fossil-fish wrote: βThu Aug 11 2022 13:03 -Checking these outSteve Dennington wrote: βThu Aug 11 2022 12:59 -There is also the Baby Buster which has worked well for me. Chuckable on normal spinning gear.Taffypiker wrote: βWed Aug 10 2022 23:58 -Strike Pro. One of the best plastic glidebaits you can lay your hands on. Available in a range of sizes and a shallow version too that will float with a slow rise on the pause if you tinker with the hooks and split rings - deadly in shallow water or over weed.
Is that buster a westin lure ?
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Re: Shallow diving lures for pike and perch
John Milford wrote: βThu Aug 11 2022 11:28 -Will do a search thanks JohnTaffypiker wrote: βWed Aug 10 2022 23:55 -It's an ebay listing Taffy. Only one set left at that price, but there are others at only a little bit more.John Milford wrote: βWed Aug 10 2022 21:29 -Where are these from John ?Taffypiker wrote: βWed Aug 10 2022 18:48 -I'd call it small, but not micro Taffy.John Milford wrote: βSun Jul 24 2022 22:38 -Would you describe the smallest of the big s range from shakespeare to be a microcrankbait ?On any waters where weed comes close to the surface, the Manns 1 Minus is a superb lure.
They come in four sizes: 1 Minus, Mid 1 Minus, Baby 1 Minus and Tiny 1 Minus. Dont worry too much about sizes, I've had pike, chub and perch on the largest one, although the Mid and Baby are better for chub and perch. I've not bothered with the Tiny size as the first three are all very good.
They are expensive, but I cannot stress too much how good they are. I wouldn't swap one for a whole handful of Big S or similar cheap plugs.
(Bobco Tackle seem quite good on price for them currently).
It's about 6 g
These diddy little fellahs are more in the micro range. Not quite the quality of something like a Yozuri 'Snap Bean', but very good for the money:
Screenshot_20220810-212315_eBay~2.jpg
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Why are some of these crankbaits stocky and bulbous .......and why are others slimline like minnow shaped ?
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John Milford wrote: βWed Aug 10 2022 21:29 -These look nice , more of a streamlined shape than the short , fat chaps ?Taffypiker wrote: βWed Aug 10 2022 18:48 -I'd call it small, but not micro Taffy.John Milford wrote: βSun Jul 24 2022 22:38 -Would you describe the smallest of the big s range from shakespeare to be a microcrankbait ?On any waters where weed comes close to the surface, the Manns 1 Minus is a superb lure.
They come in four sizes: 1 Minus, Mid 1 Minus, Baby 1 Minus and Tiny 1 Minus. Dont worry too much about sizes, I've had pike, chub and perch on the largest one, although the Mid and Baby are better for chub and perch. I've not bothered with the Tiny size as the first three are all very good.
They are expensive, but I cannot stress too much how good they are. I wouldn't swap one for a whole handful of Big S or similar cheap plugs.
(Bobco Tackle seem quite good on price for them currently).
It's about 6 g
These diddy little fellahs are more in the micro range. Not quite the quality of something like a Yozuri 'Snap Bean', but very good for the money:
Screenshot_20220810-212315_eBay~2.jpg
Not a bad price either ?
Not going to be of the quality you suggested
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Taffypiker wrote: βThu Aug 11 2022 00:05 -It's not an idea, it's a design feature and genuinely works. They're made tough as well, I've had 50+ fish in a session on one lure on several occasions. The only thing that will eventually go is the skirt and I also get through a few stingers, cutting them on awkward or deep hook holds. Both items easy to replace of course. I have them in 1,2, 3 and 5oz, but the 1 and 2oz are my go to spinnerbait for shallow drains and most rivers... spiel from manufacturer, "Designed by Dick Pearson himself, the Pearsonβs Ginders, like many other spinner baits are versatile and can be used in many applications, but therese, unlike others, are specifically designed to GRIND through the weeds. Features such as the length of the arms, unique head design, body material and every other component were carefully designed, selected and assembled with that purpose in mind."Mark Phillips wrote: βWed Aug 10 2022 22:34 -The shorter arm with the blade on is streamlined ? Is that the idea ?John Milford wrote: βSun Jul 24 2022 22:38 -Yep, the 1 minus is a killer, punches way above its weight. The chrome silver pattern is the kiddie. Great on waters where you're just fishing for numbers and not chasing larger pike, but that said, I've had a few bigger fish on them. Cast like bullets as well. However, if there are a fair few doubles and bigger fish, I'd go straight for shallow jerk bait. Loads to choose from, but the shallow Buster is easy to find and easy to fish, they catch pike all day long. Spinnerbaits - yep... you want at short arm design with a big willow leaf blade to work through weed. It works well through most types of weed, apart from obviously silkweed, which will clog the swivel and even engulf the blade. I use ERC Grinders for fishing around and occasionally through weeds. It was designed for the job. On weedy Fen drains, using those is almost like cheating.On any waters where weed comes close to the surface, the Manns 1 Minus is a superb lure.
They come in four sizes: 1 Minus, Mid 1 Minus, Baby 1 Minus and Tiny 1 Minus. Dont worry too much about sizes, I've had pike, chub and perch on the largest one, although the Mid and Baby are better for chub and perch. I've not bothered with the Tiny size as the first three are all very good.
They are expensive, but I cannot stress too much how good they are. I wouldn't swap one for a whole handful of Big S or similar cheap plugs.
(Bobco Tackle seem quite good on price for them currently).
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Re: Shallow diving lures for pike and perch
Mark Phillips wrote: βThu Aug 11 2022 17:32 -Taffypiker wrote: βThu Aug 11 2022 00:05 -It's not an idea, it's a design feature and genuinely works. They're made tough as well, I've had 50+ fish in a session on one lure on several occasions. The only thing that will eventually go is the skirt and I also get through a few stingers, cutting them on awkward or deep hook holds. Both items easy to replace of course. I have them in 1,2, 3 and 5oz, but the 1 and 2oz are my go to spinnerbait for shallow drains and most rivers... spiel from manufacturer, "Designed by Dick Pearson himself, the Pearsonβs Ginders, like many other spinner baits are versatile and can be used in many applications, but therese, unlike others, are specifically designed to GRIND through the weeds. Features such as the length of the arms, unique head design, body material and every other component were carefully designed, selected and assembled with that purpose in mind."Mark Phillips wrote: βWed Aug 10 2022 22:34 -The shorter arm with the blade on is streamlined ? Is that the idea ?John Milford wrote: βSun Jul 24 2022 22:38 -Yep, the 1 minus is a killer, punches way above its weight. The chrome silver pattern is the kiddie. Great on waters where you're just fishing for numbers and not chasing larger pike, but that said, I've had a few bigger fish on them. Cast like bullets as well. However, if there are a fair few doubles and bigger fish, I'd go straight for shallow jerk bait. Loads to choose from, but the shallow Buster is easy to find and easy to fish, they catch pike all day long. Spinnerbaits - yep... you want at short arm design with a big willow leaf blade to work through weed. It works well through most types of weed, apart from obviously silkweed, which will clog the swivel and even engulf the blade. I use ERC Grinders for fishing around and occasionally through weeds. It was designed for the job. On weedy Fen drains, using those is almost like cheating.On any waters where weed comes close to the surface, the Manns 1 Minus is a superb lure.
They come in four sizes: 1 Minus, Mid 1 Minus, Baby 1 Minus and Tiny 1 Minus. Dont worry too much about sizes, I've had pike, chub and perch on the largest one, although the Mid and Baby are better for chub and perch. I've not bothered with the Tiny size as the first three are all very good.
They are expensive, but I cannot stress too much how good they are. I wouldn't swap one for a whole handful of Big S or similar cheap plugs.
(Bobco Tackle seem quite good on price for them currently).
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Re: Shallow diving lures for pike and perch
The spinnerbaits with a shad on the hook rather than the skirt you have ?
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Taffypiker wrote: βThu Aug 11 2022 17:57 -Sorry mate, no clue what you're on about there.The spinnerbaits with a shad on the hook rather than the skirt you have ?
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The spinnerbait you use has a skirt which hides the hook so prevents a lot of snagging ?
I have some spinnerbait frames and I have attached a plastic shad to a jig head and was thinking of using this in the weedy sreas ?
I have some spinnerbait frames and I have attached a plastic shad to a jig head and was thinking of using this in the weedy sreas ?
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Taffypiker wrote: βFri Aug 12 2022 00:12 -They usually work ok, but rigid-framed sb's can bounce thru weed better than hinged ones.The spinnerbait you use has a skirt which hides the hook so prevents a lot of snagging ?
I have some spinnerbait frames and I have attached a plastic shad to a jig head and was thinking of using this in the weedy sreas ?
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peteren wrote: βFri Aug 12 2022 11:23 -Would a standard cast pause and retrieve method be OK or would you suggest working it like a fluke ?Taffypiker wrote: βFri Aug 12 2022 00:12 -They usually work ok, but rigid-framed sb's can bounce thru weed better than hinged ones.The spinnerbait you use has a skirt which hides the hook so prevents a lot of snagging ?
I have some spinnerbait frames and I have attached a plastic shad to a jig head and was thinking of using this in the weedy sreas ?
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Re: Shallow diving lures for pike and perch
I'm usually trying to fish as deep and close to the weed as possible; "feel" the lure down (- ready for takes on the drop, too), and edge onto the weed; trial and error how close and deep you can go.
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peteren wrote: βFri Aug 12 2022 11:23 -Those mini spinnerbait frames from agm ......those are hinged , not rigid framed ?Taffypiker wrote: βFri Aug 12 2022 00:12 -They usually work ok, but rigid-framed sb's can bounce thru weed better than hinged ones.The spinnerbait you use has a skirt which hides the hook so prevents a lot of snagging ?
I have some spinnerbait frames and I have attached a plastic shad to a jig head and was thinking of using this in the weedy sreas ?
If I need to get some rigid framed mini spinnerbait frames can you point me in the right direction ?
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peteren wrote: βFri Aug 12 2022 12:36 -Is that sort of subtle approach in weedy lakes not asking for trouble with regard to snag ups ?I'm usually trying to fish as deep and close to the weed as possible; "feel" the lure down (- ready for takes on the drop, too), and edge onto the weed; trial and error how close and deep you can go.
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Taffypiker wrote: βFri Aug 12 2022 00:12 -No, the skirt doesn't do that much to mask the hooks (I always have two on my lures), it's the frame of the spinnerbait that deflects snags and weeds. It acts as a hook guard, which is why spinnerbaits work well in snaggy areas and through some weeds. A short arm is better in weed, as it offers less resistance, but still protects the hooks - a willow leaf blades slips though weed better as it is more streamline. I often use them to bounce off structure, not often you loose a spinnerbait to a snag, in fact it's very rare.The spinnerbait you use has a skirt which hides the hook so prevents a lot of snagging ?
I have some spinnerbait frames and I have attached a plastic shad to a jig head and was thinking of using this in the weedy sreas ?
Another method is to vertically jig a spinnerbait into pockets or even just down the margins. I've had a lot of pike doing that. If it is totally choked up to the surface and the only option is to fish over it, use a weedless surface lure, like a Forgzilla. Hook up rate is OK, about 1 in 6 I'd say. But you get multiple takes from the same fish, even if you've pranged them, they keep having a go. I've even had pike land on the bank at my feet after chasing them down. I wouldn't want to be a frog in a pike infested water.
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