Shallow water lures

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Carp lake.
Water clear, depth 3-6ft, dense bottom weed, a max of 3ft of clear water to the surface over the entire water.
Roach, rudd and bream present, rarely seem and spend most of their time within the weed, Pike scattered, rarely seen and seemingly moving around in the weed. Jacks scarce.
Cormorants and grebes always present.

Small spinners and mid sized wobblers zero. Deads zero. Lives +2 (years ago).

So gentlemen what lure would you suggest?

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Depth would suit glidebaits to a tee.
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Especially a Manta .....
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Magnum Hellcats and 7" Mollys. The Hellcat will get down to mx 3' cranking, and runs great at about 1' - 1.5' twitching. The Molly will run deeper cranked but comes into its own when shallow twitched - the best flat-sided minnow I've found for twitching and I've tried the lot.
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Floating Squirrely Burt. Works on a straight crank as well as jerked. :wink:
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A spinnerbait would be worth a go. I’ve got some Joe Bucher slopmasters which are designed to be fished through the thickest of weed. I would also try one of the fox shallow replicants. Slow sinking and if you begin to retrieve as soon as they hit the water, they come in just under the surface.

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davelumb wrote: Wed Dec 13 2023 12:11 -
Floating Squirrely Burt. Works on a straight crank as well as jerked. :wink:

Okay :thumbs: as I have upteen burts some still in their packs they will get the first swim.
Mantas I also have
All my gliders are sinking (I think).

I can park alongside the water so perhaps I should fill the boot and bucket anything that hits the weeds.

Keep the suggestions coming, any fish banked will be faithfully reported. :thumbs:

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Sink n Draw with a 4-6 ounce Roach Mike... deadly on the day. (is this defined a as dead lure! lol)
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Floating Salmo Slider. The sinking version will actually fish at the same depth on the retrieve, about 3'.
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Mike J wrote: Wed Dec 13 2023 12:46 -

All my gliders are sinking (I think).
Upward inputs, if necessary, will keep you above the weed. I fish a few places where I can only dream of having as much as 3ft of water to play with and find glidebaits (sinking or floating) very effective.
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All the above.👍
And Miuras mouse and jigflies do well for me in similar situations. Good luck and let us know how you get on.
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Very slow sinking Jerkbaits and Tailbaits.
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Manns mid -1
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Dive-n-rise jerks like a Suick would also work - especially as they back up from the weed tail first on the pause.
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Mike J wrote: Wed Dec 13 2023 11:14 -
Carp lake.
Water clear, depth 3-6ft, dense bottom weed, a max of 3ft of clear water to the surface over the entire water.
Roach, rudd and bream present, rarely seem and spend most of their time within the weed, Pike scattered, rarely seen and seemingly moving around in the weed. Jacks scarce.
Cormorants and grebes always present.

Small spinners and mid sized wobblers zero. Deads zero. Lives +2 (years ago).

So gentlemen what lure would you suggest?

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I fish a lot of this type of water in the spring/early summer time. My go-to bait is a shallow dawg from musky innovations. Can be fished ultra slow, and will nearly "hang". A great hooker as well, important if limited amount of pike present.
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I've never seen Cormorants working a pit / lake with 6' of water Mike, I know of one such pit and have never seen a cormorant on there and believe me there is no shortage !
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DaveGreenwood wrote: Wed Dec 13 2023 16:35 -
Very slow sinking Jerkbaits and Tailbaits.
How about one of your dinkys? they fish fairly shallow, similar to a SG jerkster, start the retrieve soon as it lands 👍
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old_school wrote: Thu Dec 14 2023 08:35 -
DaveGreenwood wrote: Wed Dec 13 2023 16:35 -
Very slow sinking Jerkbaits and Tailbaits.
How about one of your dinkys? they fish fairly shallow, similar to a SG jerkster, start the retrieve soon as it lands 👍
Dinky, Delta, Fatjerk all would work, the advantage with custom lures is that they can be weighted for the individual, super slow, slow, medium or fast sinking. :thumbs:
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Many thanks for all your suggestions.

Thinking along the lines of slow and slower and disturbance what about a duckling? I know its out of season but has anyone had success with ducklings at this time of year? If so which colours I have all the colours.
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Very slow sinking Jerkbaits and Tailbaits.

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Steve Le maitre wrote: Thu Dec 14 2023 07:30 -
I've never seen Cormorants working a pit / lake with 6' of water Mike, I know of one such pit and have never seen a cormorant on there and believe me there is no shortage !

Yes Steve they are always there, I watched one the other day and it ate so much it couldn't fly and had to swim to its resting site. (17HMR absent)

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Miuras mouse or a Scout swimmer. Alternatively an unweighted shad of whatever size suits, rigged with a shallow screw head.
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Mike J wrote: Thu Dec 14 2023 09:57 -
DaveGreenwood wrote: Thu Dec 14 2023 08:59 -
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Very slow sinking Jerkbaits and Tailbaits.

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Steve Le maitre wrote: Thu Dec 14 2023 07:30 -
I've never seen Cormorants working a pit / lake with 6' of water Mike, I know of one such pit and have never seen a cormorant on there and believe me there is no shortage !

Yes Steve they are always there, I watched one the other day and it ate so much it couldn't fly and had to swim to its resting site. (17HMR absent)

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Another vote for Manns -1.
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I fish quite a few waters such as what you’ve described Mike.

Firm favourites of mine are; extra slow sinking glide baits, bassharassers, fox mega mouse or an Iron Claw double curl on a 5g lead - the latter are particularly lethal once the temperatures drop. They have a very subtle action but my god do they move the bigger fish. :thumbs:
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I've fished a number of waters over the years where you want something that'll work and stay shallow... the most effective are easily shallow working glide or jerk baits. Loads to choose from, we all have our favourites. Shallow Busters or floating Sliders catch everywhere and are lures that are easy to find. Less so, but very effective would be good old Hammers, Undertakers, dive-rise or chop baits like the Sandcat are good. One shallow lure that I do really well with is the Beavort Tuben, it's an utter pike magnet. People mention the Manns 1 minus, yep, if you have a lot of small pike around, a chrome one of those will catch the lot. You basically want floating or suspending lures, not a sinking (unless very slow sinking) or one that'll need to be fished too quickly to stay shallow.
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Many thanks gentemen.
Some of those above are unavailable here but an EU shop has said they will ship lures to me.

Many of the lures suggested I have somewhere, its just finding them. Others I will source and buy a selection. Dave is also making me a custom special.
I also have a selection of blue water surface lures, big poppers, and tuna sticks, thinking thinking.

Q; Those big bombs the carpers use really cause a disturbance when they rip them back, has anyone heard of a pike attacking them?

Yest I tried to catch a livey and gave up after 3 hours of nothing, resorted to a marginal dead for another blank.


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Mike recent experiences remind me of advantages of Miuras mouse and other big softbaits; can still catch with bits of weed and debris, common in such venues. Whereas debris kills the actions of “subtler” jerk and hard baits.
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peteren wrote: Fri Dec 29 2023 11:15 -
Mike recent experiences remind me of advantages of Miuras mouse and other big softbaits; can still catch with bits of weed and debris, common in such venues. Whereas debris kills the actions of “subtler” jerk and hard baits.

A lure mad friend made a Mouse out of a bit of old broom hsndle, and caught on it to :grin:

A big Robinson is getting a swim today along with some Jerks, Berks and Westins.

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I've found a slowly worked Shallow Invader takes some beating under those conditions Mike... or a Shallow Manta for a quicker more erratic retrieve.
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