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Leader knot

Post by phil.c » Wed Sep 11 2019 11:11

I have been using the Allbright knot when I need a braid to mono leader.

But I have found a good video on tying the new FG knot.

It looks great as there is no tag end to catch on the rings or weed.

And it is the thinnest knot possible as the thick leader is not doubled over.

Reviews of the knot say that it strengthens the harder you pull.

Just about to have a go at tying it.. :thumbs:

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Re: Leader knot

Post by Will Smith » Wed Sep 11 2019 11:37

Looks like a really good knot Phil, I will have a try with it later myself.
Thanks for posting that one.

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Re: Leader knot

Post by Kevin O'Keeffe » Wed Sep 11 2019 11:52

Makes it look simple Phil....
Might test it for tying the braid to a nylon coated wire uptrace. This may allow the trace to go through the lead run ring better? Food for thought.
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Re: Leader knot

Post by phil.c » Wed Sep 11 2019 12:22

It was not a fiddly as I first thought.

I am quite pleased for a first attempt, and I couldn't pull them apart.

Just needed to practice a bit more.. :thumbs:
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Re: Leader knot

Post by keeponchucking » Wed Sep 11 2019 13:25

phil.c wrote:
It was not a fiddly as I first thought.

I am quite pleased for a first attempt, and I couldn't pull them apart.

Just needed to practice a bit more.. :thumbs:

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Very clean looking knot. Will be trying this one myself

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Re: Leader knot

Post by phil.c » Wed Sep 11 2019 13:28

keeponchucking wrote:
phil.c wrote:
It was not a fiddly as I first thought.

I am quite pleased for a first attempt, and I couldn't pull them apart.

Just needed to practice a bit more.. :thumbs:

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Very clean looking knot. Will be trying this one myself
I am sure my attempts will get better with practice. :thumbs:
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Re: Leader knot

Post by Flipflopjoe » Wed Sep 11 2019 16:09

I use this for my fluoro leaders for bass fishing. Takes some practise but it’s a great knot.
I put a small blob of superglue on the tag end and smooth it down as I had it unravel on me once with a fish on :cry:

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Re: Leader knot

Post by fishandy » Wed Sep 11 2019 16:57

i have bought a gizmo to make the knot easier to tie but have not yet mastered it but it looks so easy on the utube

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Re: Leader knot

Post by fishandy » Wed Sep 11 2019 17:01

if you put fg knot with bobbin on ytube you will get the demo

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Re: Leader knot

Post by phil.c » Thu Sep 12 2019 10:59

Not sure about this knot..

I have tied it probably 40 times and it has failed on half of them.

My problem may be that I am tying 50lb braid to a 30lb Amnesia leader.

But on all the videos the braid is lighter than the leader.

Not sure if that makes a difference, but I would need more faith in a knot than I have at the moment.
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Re: Leader knot

Post by Flipflopjoe » Thu Sep 12 2019 13:00

phil.c wrote:
Not sure about this knot..

I have tied it probably 40 times and it has failed on half of them.

My problem may be that I am tying 50lb braid to a 30lb Amnesia leader.

But on all the videos the braid is lighter than the leader.

Not sure if that makes a difference, but I would need more faith in a knot than I have at the moment.
You must be missing something because it definitely shouldn’t have that percentage of fails if tied right.
Are you keeping everything taut during the tie and do you do 2 sets of opposite half hitches to finish off ???
One set of about 4 wrapping the braid and leader, then trim off the leader tag end and complete another set of about 4 just on the braid. This obviously locks it more and acts as a tapered end to the knot. This is where I add a little blob of superglue to the braid tag end and smooth it against the main line.

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Re: Leader knot

Post by Mike J » Thu Sep 12 2019 16:57

I rejected the FG when the Justice Knot was invented, too much fiddling involved for me.
No doubt the FG does the job for many, especially for the Asian guys who designed it.

Try the Justice its so small its hard to even see and Ive never had one break.

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Re: Leader knot

Post by phil.c » Thu Sep 12 2019 18:17

Flipflopjoe wrote:
phil.c wrote:
Not sure about this knot..

I have tied it probably 40 times and it has failed on half of them.

My problem may be that I am tying 50lb braid to a 30lb Amnesia leader.

But on all the videos the braid is lighter than the leader.

Not sure if that makes a difference, but I would need more faith in a knot than I have at the moment.
You must be missing something because it definitely shouldn’t have that percentage of fails if tied right.
Are you keeping everything taut during the tie and do you do 2 sets of opposite half hitches to finish off ???
One set of about 4 wrapping the braid and leader, then trim off the leader tag end and complete another set of about 4 just on the braid. This obviously locks it more and acts as a tapered end to the knot. This is where I add a little blob of superglue to the braid tag end and smooth it against the main line.
I have been keeping the tension on, and have tried various tensions.

I have followed step by step and before the first pull it looks fine, with the coils tight together.

But when I pull it the coils open slightly.

It's like the leader stretches a bit.
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Re: Leader knot

Post by phil.c » Thu Sep 12 2019 18:18

Mike J wrote:
I rejected the FG when the Justice Knot was invented, too much fiddling involved for me.
No doubt the FG does the job for many, especially for the Asian guys who designed it.

Try the Justice its so small its hard to even see and Ive never had one break.
I will have a look into that one.. :thumbs:
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Re: Leader knot

Post by Mike J » Thu Sep 12 2019 22:57

phil.c wrote:
Mike J wrote:
I rejected the FG when the Justice Knot was invented, too much fiddling involved for me.
No doubt the FG does the job for many, especially for the Asian guys who designed it.

Try the Justice its so small its hard to even see and Ive never had one break.
I will have a look into that one.. :thumbs:

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If there is a secret of tieing it well it is to keep all the loops in both lines of equal length as you tighen it up.
I practiced with thick strings of different colours when I first tried it, progessing to thinner lines before trying it with braid and fluoro.

With 19lb Seaguar fluoro and a Justice knot to PE4/48lb WX8 I fought a +34kg fish for over an hour boating it a mile from where I hooked up, which explains why I have absolute faith in it.

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Re: Leader knot

Post by Creek Chub » Fri Sep 13 2019 09:36

I must admit I avoid knotting mono to braid, I was told many years ago by Jim Gibbinson that the two materials were incompatible and all my tests confirmed Jim's advice. The only knot I will use is the Albright which does give a reasonable knot strength but still not great. The FG knot is often advised to anglers going abroad to fish for the more exotic species but friends of mine have had the odd sudden knot failure whilst using it. The "Justice" knot is a new one on me so will have a look, thanks Mike.
Another thing Jim told me was, never apply Superglue to Flourocarbon as it makes the knot very brittle !
It's very easy to run tests on knots to prove or disprove the potential as Phil is obviously doing, much better than letting the fish test it.

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Re: Leader knot

Post by Creek Chub » Fri Sep 13 2019 12:25

I must admit I avoid knotting mono to braid, I was told many years ago by Jim Gibbinson that the two materials were incompatible and all my tests confirmed Jim's advice. The only knot I will use is the Albright which does give a reasonable knot strength but still not great. The FG knot is often advised to anglers going abroad to fish for the more exotic species but friends of mine have had the odd sudden knot failure whilst using it. The "Justice" knot is a new one on me so will have a look, thanks Mike.
Another thing Jim told me was, never apply Superglue to Flourocarbon as it makes the knot very brittle !
It's very easy to run tests on knots to prove or disprove the potential as Phil is obviously doing, much better than letting the fish test it.

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