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Trace wire recommendation

Post by Biggthepool » Sat Dec 28 2019 08:53

As title says looking for people’s opinions or links to what wire they prefer and if anyone has any links to bulk buy wire etc?

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Re: Trace wire recommendation

Post by grimreeper » Sat Dec 28 2019 10:34

AFW 300ft from Rok Max about £20

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Re: Trace wire recommendation

Post by BillCollins » Sat Dec 28 2019 10:36

AFW standard 7strand in 40lbs or 60lbs. I get it on 300ft spools from Rokmax, about £20 or a bit more. Has never ever failed.

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Re: Trace wire recommendation

Post by Biggthepool » Sat Dec 28 2019 10:53

Just had a look can only seem to find it in camo brown? Also I should have put in the title I will be wanting twist wire instead off crimp?

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Re: Trace wire recommendation

Post by Nige Johns » Sat Dec 28 2019 11:38

Biggthepool wrote:
Just had a look can only seem to find it in camo brown? Also I should have put in the title I will be wanting twist wire instead off crimp?
It’s been done to death on here
Use the search facility all the info is there

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Re: Trace wire recommendation

Post by davelumb » Sat Dec 28 2019 11:41

Biggthepool wrote:
Just had a look can only seem to find it in camo brown? Also I should have put in the title I will be wanting twist wire instead off crimp?
That's the stuff. Twists just fine. :thumbs:

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Re: Trace wire recommendation

Post by Mike J » Sun Dec 29 2019 15:09

300ft spool of Masons USA wire from Veals, cheap as chips (nay cheaper)
With 45lb you can take twists out with your hands.
No brainer.

If you want fancy - Rio Wire Bite its limp and knots v well.
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Re: Trace wire recommendation

Post by martin(rockape) » Sun Dec 29 2019 17:19

Is there any useful difference between Masons 30 Lb and 45Lb wire other than breaking strain?

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Re: Trace wire recommendation

Post by Steve D » Sun Dec 29 2019 19:49

AFW 1x7 Titanium.

You won’t look back .

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Re: Trace wire recommendation

Post by BillCollins » Sun Dec 29 2019 20:53

Steve D wrote:
AFW 1x7 Titanium.

You won’t look back .
Titanium :no:
You can keep it.

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Re: Trace wire recommendation

Post by Mike J » Sun Dec 29 2019 21:24

martin(rockape) wrote:
Is there any useful difference between Masons 30 Lb and 45Lb wire other than breaking strain?

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Never tried 30lb so cannot help you.
Belts and braces for me, 45 up to 60 and Chico's 100 for luring,
If they really want it a straightend coat hanger wouldn't stop them.
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Re: Trace wire recommendation

Post by martin(rockape) » Sun Dec 29 2019 21:35

Mike J wrote:
martin(rockape) wrote:
Is there any useful difference between Masons 30 Lb and 45Lb wire other than breaking strain?

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Martin

Never tried 30lb so cannot help you.
Belts and braces for me, 45 up to 60 and Chico's 100 for luring,
If they really want it a straightend coat hanger wouldn't stop them.
Not really what i was asking Mike so why use 45 or 60 when 30 will do the job?

I've been using masons in 30lb for a season or more now. It does pigtail but as you say pike couldn't give a crap about that. I only change it if i get a kink.

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Re: Trace wire recommendation

Post by Steve D » Sun Dec 29 2019 21:52

BillCollins wrote:
Steve D wrote:
AFW 1x7 Titanium.

You won’t look back .
Titanium :no:
You can keep it.
Been using the same traces for 3 seasons, without any issues at all. Had Plenty of pike on them too so they’ve been well used.

I’ll retire them this season and make 4 new ones up next autumn.

I would only use the AFW Ti though as heard to many issues with other stuff. The K2K is utter s***e in my experience.

I honestly don’t miss having to make traces up every week That’s for sure..

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Re: Trace wire recommendation

Post by Mike J » Sun Dec 29 2019 21:56

Martin,
Yes 30 might do the job, but for me its belts and braces, simply because if or when I get a hook in a 30plus in a river I want it on the bank and dont care how as long as the fish is caught legally and goes back safely and undamaged apart from a hook hole.
Bait fish with 60lb and lure with 100lb lines for the same reason.

Pleased you like Masons 30 though :thumbs:
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Re: Trace wire recommendation

Post by BillCollins » Sun Dec 29 2019 23:29

Mike J wrote:
Martin,
Yes 30 might do the job, but for me its belts and braces, simply because if or when I get a hook in a 30plus in a river I want it on the bank and dont care how as long as the fish is caught legally and goes back safely and undamaged apart from a hook hole.
Bait fish with 60lb and lure with 100lb lines for the same reason.

Pleased you like Masons 30 though :thumbs:
30lb wire might be fine for pike, but I have'nt used 30 for many years. Anyway, diameter to b/s ratio appears to vary widely across the brands. Many years ago, I bought a 1000ft spool of 30lbs AFW. I probably used about a third of it, it's just sitting unused in a box now with other spools of wire for about the last 15 years, as I'm far more comfortable with the same stuff in 40 and 60.

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Re: Trace wire recommendation

Post by davelumb » Mon Dec 30 2019 10:01

martin(rockape) wrote:
Mike J wrote:
martin(rockape) wrote:
Is there any useful difference between Masons 30 Lb and 45Lb wire other than breaking strain?

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Never tried 30lb so cannot help you.
Belts and braces for me, 45 up to 60 and Chico's 100 for luring,
If they really want it a straightend coat hanger wouldn't stop them.
Not really what i was asking Mike so why use 45 or 60 when 30 will do the job?

I've been using masons in 30lb for a season or more now. It does pigtail but as you say pike couldn't give a crap about that. I only change it if i get a kink.

Regards

Martin
The other way of looking at it is why use 30lb when 45lb or 60lb will do the job?

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Re: Trace wire recommendation

Post by Kevin O'Keeffe » Mon Dec 30 2019 13:26

Twistable wire... Masons in bulk as per Mikes post. Cheap as cheap chips!
If anyone can find AFW or equivalent 49 strand in bulk.... its knottable and lasts for a few fish. Dead easy to use but not cheap.
Ti lasts for long term and personally I never had any breakages with nevs.... Just moved away from all the metalwork for bait fishing. Still use it for lures in multi strand and single strand.
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Re: Trace wire recommendation

Post by Biggthepool » Mon Dec 30 2019 14:43

What do you use for your dead bait traces know Kevin

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Re: Trace wire recommendation

Post by norleveller » Wed Jan 01 2020 12:47

masons in 45lb(28 quid for 600ft veals tackle) had seven fish on one trace last season have used the 30lb but found it pigtailed too easily so hence using the 45lb you wont get cheaper

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Re: Trace wire recommendation

Post by Biggthepool » Tue Jan 14 2020 16:16

davelumb wrote:
Biggthepool wrote:
Just had a look can only seem to find it in camo brown? Also I should have put in the title I will be wanting twist wire instead off crimp?
That's the stuff. Twists just fine. :thumbs:

Just about to order some off this does it defiantly can be twisted instead off crimped ?

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Re: Trace wire recommendation

Post by Biggthepool » Tue Jan 14 2020 16:35

Mike J wrote:
300ft spool of Masons USA wire from Veals, cheap as chips (nay cheaper)
With 45lb you can take twists out with your hands.
No brainer.

If you want fancy - Rio Wire Bite its limp and knots v well.
Also mike can this masons wire be twisted instead off crimped??

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Re: Trace wire recommendation

Post by davelumb » Tue Jan 14 2020 17:05

Biggthepool wrote:
davelumb wrote:
Biggthepool wrote:
Just had a look can only seem to find it in camo brown? Also I should have put in the title I will be wanting twist wire instead off crimp?
That's the stuff. Twists just fine. :thumbs:

Just about to order some off this does it defiantly can be twisted instead off crimped ?
I twist it just fine.

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Re: Trace wire recommendation

Post by Jeffire » Tue Jan 14 2020 17:14

I do worry about you Dave !

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Re: Trace wire recommendation

Post by Mike J » Tue Jan 14 2020 18:12

Biggthepool wrote:
Mike J wrote:
300ft spool of Masons USA wire from Veals, cheap as chips (nay cheaper)
With 45lb you can take twists out with your hands.
No brainer.

If you want fancy - Rio Wire Bite its limp and knots v well.
Also mike can this masons wire be twisted instead off crimped??

Yes.
I twist finish for two different purposes, one produces an 1/2" open loop to use with circle hooks, the other a basic wrap to secure a swivel or hook eye.
There is a method of twisting 7strand wire that stops the strands unwrapping, if you dont know it PM me.

I never crimp pike traces.

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Re: Trace wire recommendation

Post by Sleeper » Wed Jan 15 2020 02:43

On the subject of trace wire, a mate showed me this stuff recently. I've never used 49 strand wire as the only one I'd seen was bright silver, which immediately put me off.
I've always stuck to tried and tested camo-brown 7 strand wires, but this stuff did impress me. It's a nice dark greeny-brown and soft, but not too soft.
Anyone tried it and could give a report, good or bad?

https://www.harrissportsmail.com/uk/sav ... gK0UPD_BwE

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Re: Trace wire recommendation

Post by martin(rockape) » Wed Jan 15 2020 05:38

Be much cheaper to buy something like Masons just as good as any wire. In most cases trace wire is trace wire the only difference being price and a fancy name at quite a few bob more.

I've never had a wire trace fail me regardless of brand name but crimps have. but i put that down to much or not enough pressure so I've binned that and twist it instead, not a lot to go wrong there.

Just my opinion

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Re: Trace wire recommendation

Post by Mike J » Fri Jan 17 2020 11:11

Sleeper wrote:
On the subject of trace wire, a mate showed me this stuff recently. I've never used 49 strand wire as the only one I'd seen was bright silver, which immediately put me off.
I've always stuck to tried and tested camo-brown 7 strand wires, but this stuff did impress me. It's a nice dark greeny-brown and soft, but not too soft.
Anyone tried it and could give a report, good or bad?

https://www.harrissportsmail.com/uk/sav ... gK0UPD_BwE


I would not advise anyone to use the Savage wire in the link.
That wire is high carbon steel and it will rust far quicker than stainless steel wire, heating or compressing it within a crimp will only increse the speed of corrosion. Corrosion inside a crimp is something no angler wants to have to think about.

Masons, AFW or Rio wires are all high quality US made stainless steel wires, tried and tested for decades around the globe.
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Re: Trace wire recommendation

Post by Admau1 » Fri Jan 17 2020 12:03

KNOT KINKY TITANNIUM :thumbs:

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Re: Trace wire recommendation

Post by Slug » Fri Jan 17 2020 13:14

Mike J wrote:
Sleeper wrote:
On the subject of trace wire, a mate showed me this stuff recently. I've never used 49 strand wire as the only one I'd seen was bright silver, which immediately put me off.
I've always stuck to tried and tested camo-brown 7 strand wires, but this stuff did impress me. It's a nice dark greeny-brown and soft, but not too soft.
Anyone tried it and could give a report, good or bad?

https://www.harrissportsmail.com/uk/sav ... gK0UPD_BwE


I would not advise anyone to use the Savage wire in the link.
That wire is high carbon steel and it will rust far quicker than stainless steel wire, heating or compressing it within a crimp will only increse the speed of corrosion. Corrosion inside a crimp is something no angler wants to have to think about.

Masons, AFW or Rio wires are all high quality US made stainless steel wires, tried and tested for decades around the globe.
Your confusing high carbon steel with high carbon stainless steel.

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Re: Trace wire recommendation

Post by Mike J » Fri Jan 17 2020 17:41

Slug wrote:
Mike J wrote:
Sleeper wrote:
On the subject of trace wire, a mate showed me this stuff recently. I've never used 49 strand wire as the only one I'd seen was bright silver, which immediately put me off.
I've always stuck to tried and tested camo-brown 7 strand wires, but this stuff did impress me. It's a nice dark greeny-brown and soft, but not too soft.
Anyone tried it and could give a report, good or bad?

https://www.harrissportsmail.com/uk/sav ... gK0UPD_BwE


I would not advise anyone to use the Savage wire in the link.
That wire is high carbon steel and it will rust far quicker than stainless steel wire, heating or compressing it within a crimp will only increse the speed of corrosion. Corrosion inside a crimp is something no angler wants to have to think about.

Masons, AFW or Rio wires are all high quality US made stainless steel wires, tried and tested for decades around the globe.
Your confusing high carbon steel with high carbon stainless steel.



This is the wire in the link.

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Masons, AFW or Rio are all stainless steel wires of a known standard and all produced in the USA.
I am not confused and stand by my advice. High carbon steel WILL rust when it comes into contact with water.
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