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After watching that roach video posted on another thread I got to thinking about which rods I'd use if I were to have a go for big roach.

I usually use my :lumby: Avons for roach and perch etc. I've always worked on maximum line bs at 5X the TC so I use 6lb on the 1 1/4lb avons which I think is a perfect balance and I've landed double figure carp on this set up with a 5lb reflo hooklink.

Would you step up to a 1 3/4lb rod for roach, I know a mate of mine does on a certain loch in Scotland where long chucks are required.

Any thoughts/different opinions on choosing mainlines for certain rods?
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Unless you need long chucks I'd have thought the Avons would be fine.

I have used 12ft 1.5lb Chimeras for roach on a big ressie, and 12ft 1.75lb Torrix. Both were fine with 6lb mainline and hooklinks down to a couple of pounds, maybe a bit less.
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davelumb wrote: Tue Jan 11 2022 21:20 -
Unless you need long chucks I'd have thought the Avons would be fine.

I have used 12ft 1.5lb Chimeras for roach on a big ressie, and 12ft 1.75lb Torrix. Both were fine with 6lb mainline and hooklinks down to a couple of pounds, maybe a bit less.
I am fine with the avons Dave, I probably wasn't clear and muddled a couple of posts into one, had a bottle of red with my chinese :roll:

Would you go higher than 6lb line on the avons or do use the old rule of thumb, 5xtc?
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Bob Watson wrote: Tue Jan 11 2022 21:28 -
davelumb wrote: Tue Jan 11 2022 21:20 -
Unless you need long chucks I'd have thought the Avons would be fine.

I have used 12ft 1.5lb Chimeras for roach on a big ressie, and 12ft 1.75lb Torrix. Both were fine with 6lb mainline and hooklinks down to a couple of pounds, maybe a bit less.
I am fine with the avons Dave, I probably wasn't clear and muddled a couple of posts into one, had a bottle of red with my chinese :roll:

Would you go higher than 6lb line on the avons or do use the old rule of thumb, 5xtc?
You could go higher, say 8 or 9lb. But why bother for roach?
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davelumb wrote: Tue Jan 11 2022 21:32 -
Bob Watson wrote: Tue Jan 11 2022 21:28 -
davelumb wrote: Tue Jan 11 2022 21:20 -
Unless you need long chucks I'd have thought the Avons would be fine.

I have used 12ft 1.5lb Chimeras for roach on a big ressie, and 12ft 1.75lb Torrix. Both were fine with 6lb mainline and hooklinks down to a couple of pounds, maybe a bit less.
I am fine with the avons Dave, I probably wasn't clear and muddled a couple of posts into one, had a bottle of red with my chinese :roll:

Would you go higher than 6lb line on the avons or do use the old rule of thumb, 5xtc?
You could go higher, say 8 or 9lb. But why bother for roach?
I wouldn't, just curious on what people would stretch to!
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i fish about 8lb on a res , just because the carp muscle in on the maggots and the odd tench , the roach fishing is the best i have ever seen , some real big roach to be had if you put the effort in ........even in winter the...... heli bolt rig for big roach , you need some decent line punching them out all day long , even 10lb line and 5lb hook links about right ... 16 hook

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I think it depends on the action too Bob, I use my John Wilson specialists ( 1.75 test curve)on that crusian venue in Surrey with 6lb line and 4lb hook lengths and they are fine, they bend well on a 2lb crusian, although they are thirty five year old rods and through action(sloppier than a Yarmouth girls sloppy bits🤣👍) I think John Wilson used to say max line should be 6 times the rods test curve ? I.e 7.5lb line on 1.25 tc rods?
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IIRC Walker had it that 3x tc was the minimum line strength, 5x tc the optimum and 8x tc the maximum. Of course with braid none of this applies!
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suffolk si wrote: Tue Jan 11 2022 22:03 -
I think it depends on the action too Bob, I use my John Wilson specialists ( 1.75 test curve)on that crusian venue in Surrey with 6lb line and 4lb hook lengths and they are fine, they bend well on a 2lb crusian, although they are thirty five year old rods and through action(sloppier than a Yarmouth girls sloppy bits🤣👍) I think John Wilson used to say max line should be 6 times the rods test curve ? I.e 7.5lb line on 1.25 tc rods?
i am sure i have one of those somewhere si ..think they are a green colour with gold whipping , boy i have had some fish on it too years back ......from carp to doubles and pike ,tench come to think i have used that rod for most fish , very versatile rod :thumbs:
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Braid knocks everything into a cocked hat :laughs:
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Bob Watson wrote: Tue Jan 11 2022 22:22 -
Braid knocks everything into a cocked hat :laughs:
Bob there's another drennan video featuring Martin bowler that's a few years old where he catches a big haul of specimen roach ,he's using 1.25 tc rods (Drennan specialists, good rods I own a few different tc).and he was advocating using 8lb line for the robustness of continuess casting of his bolt rig feeders saying it puts a fair old stress on the line
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seanyboy wrote: Tue Jan 11 2022 22:33 -
Bob Watson wrote: Tue Jan 11 2022 22:22 -
Braid knocks everything into a cocked hat :laughs:
Bob there's another drennan video featuring Martin bowler that's a few years old where he catches a big haul of specimen roach ,he's using 1.25 tc rods (Drennan specialists, good rods I own a few different tc).and he was advocating using 8lb line for the robustness of continuess casting of his bolt rig feeders saying it puts a fair old stress on the line
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I'll look it up. I like Martin Bowler!
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Some big roach been coming out the Terence...fish upto 2lb 12oz
Not on the normal roach baits...6mm halibuts with 4mm in a black cap feeder.
Hasnt been unusual to get the tip slam over on the drop.
Lovely preston 13ft carbon active feeder (the old one)was about right.
4lb hooklength and 30lb braid with a hair rigged banded 6mm pellet on a 12
Problem...not just roach like halibut pellets
So barbel bite one...increased hook line to 6lb
Next bite...8lb
Then upto 10lb 12oz hook length...so I could land the barbel.
Still carried on catching roach to 1lb 12oz with barbel hook lengths :afraid:
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Kev Berry wrote: Tue Jan 11 2022 23:31 -
Some big roach been coming out the Terence...fish upto 2lb 12oz
Not on the normal roach baits...6mm halibuts with 4mm in a black cap feeder.
Hasnt been unusual to get the tip slam over on the drop.
Lovely preston 13ft carbon active feeder (the old one)was about right.
4lb hooklength and 30lb braid with a hair rigged banded 6mm pellet on a 12
Problem...not just roach like halibut pellets
So barbel bite one...increased hook line to 6lb
Next bite...8lb
Then upto 10lb 12oz hook length...so I could land the barbel.
Still carried on catching roach to 1lb 12oz with barbel hook lengths :afraid:
I've been taking lots of low 2lb roach feeding 2 and 3mm halibuts and fishing a banded 4mm.
My biggest issue is the bloody bream pushing the roach out!
I used to get the odd barbel, but I've started putting out a second rod just downstream with a 10mm pellet on and most barbel are now getting caught on that as they make their way towards my catch area.
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When I tried DLs roach rig, I used 16lb braid on a Wilson Avon quiver.

No fuss, just 12flb flouro for everything else and a barbless 16 red Drennan to bend out of the carp (which it didn't).

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Daniel, lots of low 2's from a river! LOTS :afraid: You lucky so in so.

I fish some brilliant rivers and a lot would be 2-3 (a season)!

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davelumb wrote: Tue Jan 11 2022 21:32 -
Bob Watson wrote: Tue Jan 11 2022 21:28 -
davelumb wrote: Tue Jan 11 2022 21:20 -
Unless you need long chucks I'd have thought the Avons would be fine.

I have used 12ft 1.5lb Chimeras for roach on a big ressie, and 12ft 1.75lb Torrix. Both were fine with 6lb mainline and hooklinks down to a couple of pounds, maybe a bit less.
I am fine with the avons Dave, I probably wasn't clear and muddled a couple of posts into one, had a bottle of red with my chinese :roll:

Would you go higher than 6lb line on the avons or do use the old rule of thumb, 5xtc?
You could go higher, say 8 or 9lb. But why bother for roach?
That chap Daniel on the video was using 8lb mainline. I would say the biggest roach brace ever (Until some jealous git counts the lateral line) is quite some validation, at least as far as stillwater roach are concerned no Dave?

Im guessing mussel beds, gravel bars etc could take a toll on a long line with a 3 or 4lb fish on the end? Personally I wouldnt think twice about using double that if it meant catching one of those bruisers! :grin:

As far as line and rods go, being the least technical angler in the game, I tend to think about how far I dare bend the rod. Im not even sure at all times what breaking strain line I'm using and usually gauge it by snapping it between two hands. If it cuts me instead of breaking it's probably north of about 10lbs. :laughs:
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Chris Hammond wrote: Thu Jan 13 2022 19:44 -
davelumb wrote: Tue Jan 11 2022 21:32 -
Bob Watson wrote: Tue Jan 11 2022 21:28 -
davelumb wrote: Tue Jan 11 2022 21:20 -
Unless you need long chucks I'd have thought the Avons would be fine.

I have used 12ft 1.5lb Chimeras for roach on a big ressie, and 12ft 1.75lb Torrix. Both were fine with 6lb mainline and hooklinks down to a couple of pounds, maybe a bit less.
I am fine with the avons Dave, I probably wasn't clear and muddled a couple of posts into one, had a bottle of red with my chinese :roll:

Would you go higher than 6lb line on the avons or do use the old rule of thumb, 5xtc?
You could go higher, say 8 or 9lb. But why bother for roach?
That chap Daniel on the video was using 8lb mainline. I would say the biggest roach brace ever (Until some jealous git counts the lateral line) is quite some validation, at least as far as stillwater roach are concerned no Dave?

Im guessing mussel beds, gravel bars etc could take a toll on a long line with a 3 or 4lb fish on the end? Personally I wouldnt think twice about using double that if it meant catching one of those bruisers! :grin:

As far as line and rods go, being the least technical angler in the game, I tend to think about how far I dare bend the rod. Im not even sure at all times what breaking strain line I'm using and usually gauge it by snapping it between two hands. If it cuts me instead of breaking it's probably north of about 10lbs. :laughs:
If the extra diameter is needed for abrasion resistance fair enough.
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davelumb wrote: Thu Jan 13 2022 19:48 -
Chris Hammond wrote: Thu Jan 13 2022 19:44 -
davelumb wrote: Tue Jan 11 2022 21:32 -
Bob Watson wrote: Tue Jan 11 2022 21:28 -
davelumb wrote: Tue Jan 11 2022 21:20 -
Unless you need long chucks I'd have thought the Avons would be fine.

I have used 12ft 1.5lb Chimeras for roach on a big ressie, and 12ft 1.75lb Torrix. Both were fine with 6lb mainline and hooklinks down to a couple of pounds, maybe a bit less.
I am fine with the avons Dave, I probably wasn't clear and muddled a couple of posts into one, had a bottle of red with my chinese :roll:

Would you go higher than 6lb line on the avons or do use the old rule of thumb, 5xtc?
You could go higher, say 8 or 9lb. But why bother for roach?
That chap Daniel on the video was using 8lb mainline. I would say the biggest roach brace ever (Until some jealous git counts the lateral line) is quite some validation, at least as far as stillwater roach are concerned no Dave?

Im guessing mussel beds, gravel bars etc could take a toll on a long line with a 3 or 4lb fish on the end? Personally I wouldnt think twice about using double that if it meant catching one of those bruisers! :grin:

As far as line and rods go, being the least technical angler in the game, I tend to think about how far I dare bend the rod. Im not even sure at all times what breaking strain line I'm using and usually gauge it by snapping it between two hands. If it cuts me instead of breaking it's probably north of about 10lbs. :laughs:
If the extra diameter is needed for abrasion resistance fair enough.
That's what I was getting at with my question Dave, it was with reference to the video. I could have explained myself better but like I said, :gulp:
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Bob Watson wrote: Tue Jan 11 2022 21:13 -
After watching that roach video posted on another thread I got to thinking about which rods I'd use if I were to have a go for big roach.

I usually use my :lumby: Avons for roach and perch etc. I've always worked on maximum line bs at 5X the TC so I use 6lb on the 1 1/4lb avons which I think is a perfect balance and I've landed double figure carp on this set up with a 5lb reflo hooklink.

Would you step up to a 1 3/4lb rod for roach, I know a mate of mine does on a certain loch in Scotland where long chucks are required.

Any thoughts/different opinions on choosing mainlines for certain rods?
Is the Scottish loch still doing big roach Bob?
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piker al wrote: Sat Jan 15 2022 13:23 -
Bob Watson wrote: Tue Jan 11 2022 21:13 -
After watching that roach video posted on another thread I got to thinking about which rods I'd use if I were to have a go for big roach.

I usually use my :lumby: Avons for roach and perch etc. I've always worked on maximum line bs at 5X the TC so I use 6lb on the 1 1/4lb avons which I think is a perfect balance and I've landed double figure carp on this set up with a 5lb reflo hooklink.

Would you step up to a 1 3/4lb rod for roach, I know a mate of mine does on a certain loch in Scotland where long chucks are required.

Any thoughts/different opinions on choosing mainlines for certain rods?
Is the Scottish loch still doing big roach Bob?
More than likely, I think there's a few hybrids mixed in too.

I haven't spoke to him for quite a while but he'll be getting a bell off me soon about something else.
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