Fishery Rules, How would you fish the venue?

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Fishery Rules, How would you fish the venue?

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Hello all

I'm looking at pike fishing a venue this autumn (Porth Reservoir) and amongst their rules it states:

Single hooks only, strictly no trebles
Maximum size 2
Must be mounted on a wire trace

The confusion I have is when it states "single hooks only, strictly no trebles" would I be able to use a twin single hook trace?

What trace rig would you use and being restricted to size 2 hooks what deadbait would you consider?

Many thanks

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Usually, daft rules (e.g. maximum line strength 10lb, no braid, etc.) are put in place for carp fishing and end up covering everything, but those rules are specifically predator related and are phenomenally daft! Normally, it's the presence of catfish that gets trebles banned, but then they often ban wire as well :scratch:

I would have suggested a circle hook, but with a max. size 2, that isn't going to work. Hair rigging small baits is probably your best option, but with those rules to contend with I think I'd be inclined to just fish elsewhere.
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Does "single hooks only" mean you can fish 2 x single hooks on a trace?

Could you fish with baitholder singles, whip the bait on with elastic, so you have confidence that the business bit of the hook is at least free of the bait?
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"I would have suggested a circle hook, but with a max. size 2, that isn't going to work. Hair rigging small baits is probably your best option, but with those rules to contend with I think I'd be inclined to just fish elsewhere"

I fully agree Steve , but unfortunately as far as I can see at the moment I only have a choice of two venues that are relatively local. The other venue is Argal reservoir slightly better for rules although it states a minimum of 40lb braid and a snag leader. I believe as you already said yourself it's because it is also a Carp venue.

Thanks for the advice πŸ‘
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JoeNickel wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08 2024 20:55 -
Does "single hooks only" mean you can fish 2 x single hooks on a trace?

Could you fish with baitholder singles, whip the bait on with elastic, so you have confidence that the business bit of the hook is at least free of the bait?
That is a thought as the rules don't mention baitholders

Many thanks Joe πŸ‘
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Use a knotless knot to whip two singles back to back for the flank of the bait and a single through the tail.

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Sums it up when you look at the South West Lakes website for Porth & its pictures of assorted carp & plenty of info on the various carp weights you might catch.

Daft rule esp when you look at all the other fisheries - incl Argal - who do allow trebles max size 6 but have nothing in their rules about size of singles. I think a circle equivalent of a treble 6 is a 1/0.

Porth only specifies size 2 & single hooks. Allows lures - which can come factory built with 3 trebles - so can't see any specific prohibition on replacing all 3 with 3 singles.
On that basis can't see why you shouldn't use 2 singles on one trace, pennel rigged perhaps on the lines of what Alan suggested? - knotless knots work fine.

With singles of that size I agree with Steve about hair rigging the bait & using a smaller bait. Leaves the hook exposed. I don't use anything larger than around 5inches anyway, either whole (smelts) or cut to size. Doesn't seem to bother bigger pike.

Perhaps give it one visit & if you don't get on with it or get silliness from the staff then consider somewhere more sensible.
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Thanks everyone for the replies all definite food for thought. That's the main problem with my location I've only got the two venues (Porth & Argal) so unfortunately I have two choices take it or leave it. As you said Paintman I'll give it a go and see what happens.

Going to do a search now to see how to hair rig a Pike bait, never done that before :)

Thanks again everyone for the advice

Cheers
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Brummie Exile wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11 2024 07:15 -
Thanks everyone for the replies all definite food for thought. That's the main problem with my location I've only got the two venues (Porth & Argal) so unfortunately I have two choices take it or leave it. As you said Paintman I'll give it a go and see what happens.

Going to do a search now to see how to hair rig a Pike bait, never done that before :)

Thanks again everyone for the advice

Cheers
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Even if you use small baits you will miss more runs using a hair rigged bait in my experience over the last few years.
The single double combo is as good as a pair of trebles, again in my experience!

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cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11 2024 07:52 -
Brummie Exile wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11 2024 07:15 -
Thanks everyone for the replies all definite food for thought. That's the main problem with my location I've only got the two venues (Porth & Argal) so unfortunately I have two choices take it or leave it. As you said Paintman I'll give it a go and see what happens.

Going to do a search now to see how to hair rig a Pike bait, never done that before :)

Thanks again everyone for the advice

Cheers
Ian
Even if you use small baits you will miss more runs using a hair rigged bait in my experience over the last few years.
The single double combo is as good as a pair of trebles, again in my experience!

Cheers, Alan

Thanks Alan will definitely give the single double combo a go as it does make sense. I think overall there's going to be some trial and error.

Thanks, Ian
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Make up a 2 hook trace.
Clip the tail fin fin off - gets it out of the way of the hook - & put the top hook through the tail root. Bait elastic may help as extra security.
Nick the bottom hook through the skin of the bait. Lashing around the bait & the eye of the hook may help that hook to stand out at 90deg to the bait. Works with a 2 hook rig for me using circles.
I've seen pics where a small metal bar has been soldered across the hook shank to help with that but never tried it & have no idea what the heat might do to the strength of the hook. Perhaps use pliers to hold the hook as a heat sink?

If you use the 'search' facility to look for the circle hook threads you'll find a lot of info on using single hooks.
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Brummie Exile wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11 2024 07:15 -
Thanks everyone for the replies all definite food for thought. That's the main problem with my location I've only got the two venues (Porth & Argal) so unfortunately I have two choices take it or leave it. As you said Paintman I'll give it a go and see what happens.

Going to do a search now to see how to hair rig a Pike bait, never done that before :)

Thanks again everyone for the advice

Cheers
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Hi Ian,
Just in case you missed my reply on your intro post, there is an association which has lakes with pike, an abandoned quarry in a SSSI area and a smaller much more wild lake - it is stunning and not overly fished (at least, it wasn't up to 3 years ago, when I left Cornwall for Devon). Look up the RAC (Roche Angling Club) for further info :)
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Now that's a pretty impressive collection of waters & not silly money for year round fishing!
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Lunix79 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18 2024 09:44 -
Brummie Exile wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11 2024 07:15 -
Thanks everyone for the replies all definite food for thought. That's the main problem with my location I've only got the two venues (Porth & Argal) so unfortunately I have two choices take it or leave it. As you said Paintman I'll give it a go and see what happens.

Going to do a search now to see how to hair rig a Pike bait, never done that before :)

Thanks again everyone for the advice

Cheers
Ian
Hi Ian,
Just in case you missed my reply on your intro post, there is an association which has lakes with pike, an abandoned quarry in a SSSI area and a smaller much more wild lake - it is stunning and not overly fished (at least, it wasn't up to 3 years ago, when I left Cornwall for Devon). Look up the RAC (Roche Angling Club) for further info :)
Hi Lunix,
just seen your post and funny old thing mentioned all year round Pike fishing. I have been looking at RAC for a while and seriously considering it, the only down side is the distance as I'm down on the Lizard. I think I'm going to "play it by ear this year" due to time and commitments but seriously going to consider it in the future.
Cheers
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paintman wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11 2024 11:01 -
Works with a 2 hook rig for me using circles.
Why use circles if you're using two hooks? :scratch:
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JoeNickel wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18 2024 22:35 -
paintman wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11 2024 11:01 -
Works with a 2 hook rig for me using circles.
Why use circles if you're using two hooks? :scratch:
Generally for piking I use one circle. Mustad Demon Circle 5/0 or 6/0. Not as big as they might sound.
Dead baits only as the waters I fish have a no livebaits rule.

The OP's situation is odd in that they are maximum hook size restricted.
Having looked through the SW Lakes website Porth is the only water that does that for single hooks.
Makes no sense to me & as has been said size 2 circles may well be on the too small size, so 'J' hooks on a two hook trace on the lines of a snap tackle might be the OP's best option. Not a good option AFAIAC as a major point of circles is fish safety.

I do use two circles rigged pennel style for sea fishing with dead sandeels, a small one in the head & a larger one mid body. Just one through the head you miss a lot of hits & end up with a lot of half sandeels!
Also for live fish baits. One as the bait holder through the upper lip & the other just above it fully exposed as the main hook. I appreciate that there are methods of using a single circle with larger livebaits but I'm just not comfortable with pushing baiting needles through eyesockets on live fish & prefer to lip hook.
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Brummie Exile wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08 2024 18:58 -
Hello all

I'm looking at pike fishing a venue this autumn (Porth Reservoir) and amongst their rules it states:

Single hooks only, strictly no trebles
Maximum size 2
Must be mounted on a wire trace

The confusion I have is when it states "single hooks only, strictly no trebles" would I be able to use a twin single hook trace?

What trace rig would you use and being restricted to size 2 hooks what deadbait would you consider?

Many thanks

Ian πŸ‘
I've come across this and well, just used trebles. Never once did anyone ask me to reel a bait in, which I wouldn't have done anyway.
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