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Smithy75 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06 2021 11:44 -

Good morning gents can you pro pikes recommend a good trace material that does not kink every five minutes thank you and regards

Smithy75 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06 2021 11:44 -

Good morning gents can you pro pikes recommend a good trace material that does not kink every five minutes thank you and regards

stubbojo wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07 2021 22:42 -

Smithy75 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06 2021 11:44 -

Good morning gents can you pro pikes recommend a good trace material that does not kink every five minutes thank you and regards

hi pal
have tried loads of trace materials over the years ...currently using e.sox super trace in the heavier .41mm 34lb stainless steel super 7 and also 40lb too
pleased with it , and lasts for a few good fish , tried titanium but suffered by a few slipping on the crimps , dont think the crimps bed in to well on it ...

Steve C wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08 2021 10:48 -

stubbojo wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07 2021 22:42 -

Smithy75 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06 2021 11:44 -

Good morning gents can you pro pikes recommend a good trace material that does not kink every five minutes thank you and regards

hi pal
have tried loads of trace materials over the years ...currently using e.sox super trace in the heavier .41mm 34lb stainless steel super 7 and also 40lb too
pleased with it , and lasts for a few good fish , tried titanium but suffered by a few slipping on the crimps , dont think the crimps bed in to well on it ...

Titanium wire stretches slightly when under tension and its diameter reduces fractionally as a consequence. This can result in a 'loosening' effect on the crimps and failure then occurs. Once the tension is removed it returns to normal.

ADAM-F wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08 2021 21:18 -

Deadbaits I use et 49 strand. Very flexible, U can knotless knot the top treble and crimp the bottom and the swivel.

Livebaits I use Titanium 30lb that the tackle shop sell. Much stiffer. Crimp on split rings and change trebles when needed as the wire lasts a long time.

Uptraces = Titanium 60lb.

Kevin O'Keeffe wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09 2021 00:43 -

Steve C wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08 2021 10:48 -

stubbojo wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07 2021 22:42 -

Smithy75 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06 2021 11:44 -

Good morning gents can you pro pikes recommend a good trace material that does not kink every five minutes thank you and regards

hi pal
have tried loads of trace materials over the years ...currently using e.sox super trace in the heavier .41mm 34lb stainless steel super 7 and also 40lb too
pleased with it , and lasts for a few good fish , tried titanium but suffered by a few slipping on the crimps , dont think the crimps bed in to well on it ...

Titanium wire stretches slightly when under tension and its diameter reduces fractionally as a consequence. This can result in a 'loosening' effect on the crimps and failure then occurs. Once the tension is removed it returns to normal.

After bench testing ti wire of various makes and breaking strains I would say I doubt you can impart enough pressure on 40lb ti wire to reach the stretch point with a compressed pike rod.

it isn't like elastic where it stretches in proportion to the force imparted on it. Ti wire has a point where it just weirdly goes ping and becomes longer retracting back as the force reduces with a similar pop back to the same initial length. All a bit odd but with normal pike fishing equipment you can not reach that force when compressing a standard rod.

I have used ti wire for probably 10 years in various forms and never had a crimp fail be it sea or pike fishing.
For me after testing... use double barrel 9mm long crimps, leave the ends flared, never use covers, use a cup to cup crimper and check them often just in case.

in the early days I found a couple of multistrand lure traces where strands broke on the loop made at the crimp but I had made the loop too tight.... rectifying this to bigger loops has not seen same occur. I used the same 3 bait traces for two winters and they where still passing the gate post pull test when retired. yes I was catching fish :o)

I would suggest any crimp failure is not the fault of the wire but more the crimping method or using the wrong crimps. Double barrel is the way to go IMO.

Kevin O'Keeffe wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09 2021 00:43 -

Steve C wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08 2021 10:48 -

stubbojo wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07 2021 22:42 -

Smithy75 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06 2021 11:44 -

Good morning gents can you pro pikes recommend a good trace material that does not kink every five minutes thank you and regards

hi pal
have tried loads of trace materials over the years ...currently using e.sox super trace in the heavier .41mm 34lb stainless steel super 7 and also 40lb too
pleased with it , and lasts for a few good fish , tried titanium but suffered by a few slipping on the crimps , dont think the crimps bed in to well on it ...

Titanium wire stretches slightly when under tension and its diameter reduces fractionally as a consequence. This can result in a 'loosening' effect on the crimps and failure then occurs. Once the tension is removed it returns to normal.

After bench testing ti wire of various makes and breaking strains I would say I doubt you can impart enough pressure on 40lb ti wire to reach the stretch point with a compressed pike rod.

it isn't like elastic where it stretches in proportion to the force imparted on it. Ti wire has a point where it just weirdly goes ping and becomes longer retracting back as the force reduces with a similar pop back to the same initial length. All a bit odd but with normal pike fishing equipment you can not reach that force when compressing a standard rod.

I have used ti wire for probably 10 years in various forms and never had a crimp fail be it sea or pike fishing.
For me after testing... use double barrel 9mm long crimps, leave the ends flared, never use covers, use a cup to cup crimper and check them often just in case.

in the early days I found a couple of multistrand lure traces where strands broke on the loop made at the crimp but I had made the loop too tight.... rectifying this to bigger loops has not seen same occur. I used the same 3 bait traces for two winters and they where still passing the gate post pull test when retired. yes I was catching fish :o)

I would suggest any crimp failure is not the fault of the wire but more the crimping method or using the wrong crimps. Double barrel is the way to go IMO.

Mike J wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08 2021 10:39 -

Masons 45lb 7strand for me.
Not Chinese but made in the USA, easily available from Veals and a 200m bulk spool doesn't cost a fortune.
No crimps needed, it twists up really tight and can be straightened in the fingers if its not kinked, 7 fish is my highest on one leader.

https://www.veals.co.uk/acatalog/mason- ... e-136.html

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Richard. wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25 2021 09:41 -

Mike J wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08 2021 10:39 -

Masons 45lb 7strand for me.
Not Chinese but made in the USA, easily available from Veals and a 200m bulk spool doesn't cost a fortune.
No crimps needed, it twists up really tight and can be straightened in the fingers if its not kinked, 7 fish is my highest on one leader.

https://www.veals.co.uk/acatalog/mason- ... e-136.html

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Been looking for a decent 40lb 7 strand for ages. 28quid for 600’ is a bargain. I’m used to paying 3 x amount in poxy 20m spools. I’ve taken a punt and ordered a spool. Cheers for the link Mike

Mike J wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25 2021 09:56 -

Richard. wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25 2021 09:41 -

Mike J wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08 2021 10:39 -

Masons 45lb 7strand for me.
Not Chinese but made in the USA, easily available from Veals and a 200m bulk spool doesn't cost a fortune.
No crimps needed, it twists up really tight and can be straightened in the fingers if its not kinked, 7 fish is my highest on one leader.

https://www.veals.co.uk/acatalog/mason- ... e-136.html

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Been looking for a decent 40lb 7 strand for ages. 28quid for 600’ is a bargain. I’m used to paying 3 x amount in poxy 20m spools. I’ve taken a punt and ordered a spool. Cheers for the link Mike

My pleasure, its good quality and you wont have any problems with it.
Maximising profit is why more bulk spools are not available in the UK, I believe ET one of our sponsors sells AFW in bulk spools.

When specimen angling really got started most good shops stocked spools of various strengths between 10lb and 30lb, small spools mostly Allcocks Alasticum single strand.


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Richard. wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27 2021 23:42 -

Mike J wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25 2021 09:56 -

Richard. wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25 2021 09:41 -

Mike J wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08 2021 10:39 -

Masons 45lb 7strand for me.
Not Chinese but made in the USA, easily available from Veals and a 200m bulk spool doesn't cost a fortune.
No crimps needed, it twists up really tight and can be straightened in the fingers if its not kinked, 7 fish is my highest on one leader.

https://www.veals.co.uk/acatalog/mason- ... e-136.html

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Been looking for a decent 40lb 7 strand for ages. 28quid for 600’ is a bargain. I’m used to paying 3 x amount in poxy 20m spools. I’ve taken a punt and ordered a spool. Cheers for the link Mike

My pleasure, its good quality and you wont have any problems with it.
Maximising profit is why more bulk spools are not available in the UK, I believe ET one of our sponsors sells AFW in bulk spools.

When specimen angling really got started most good shops stocked spools of various strengths between 10lb and 30lb, small spools mostly Allcocks Alasticum single strand.


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Just made up a few traces with the new masons wire. Very nice wire to work with particularly the lower treble which I tie on. The wire is more supple than the drennan stuff I usually buy making it far neater as my raps stay very tight round the shank. Twists really nicely. I’ll be sticking with it. Let’s see how it fairs after a few teeth have been chewing on it. A9333242-C6BC-40C1-ABA7-811C736A237A.jpeg

Mark Phillips wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19 2021 11:41 -

Word to the wise... do not add heat shrink to traces made from stranded stainless wire - water gets inside and will rust the wire as the trace is stored - then it snaps under pressure next time you catch a fish on it.

JohnCopeman wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04 2021 10:37 -

I actually bought some 200lb coated stainless from local shop cheap- 70p including crimps...such a bargain a bought two.
I used it strung just above the garden fence to keep the pigeons off....less than a year it is showing rust inside the coating.