Trout on Deadbait

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Trout on Deadbait

Post by Luki86 » Sat Dec 05 2020 18:03

Hey my Friends!

I am new here on pikers pit and read a lot of interessting things the last days.
It was very interessting for me that there are some trout has been catched during pike fishing.
Can you tell me more about this catches?
I read a book about ferox trout and there is something written about deadbaiting at night for ferox trout. Is this normal?
Are the trouts bigger which are catched on deadbaits during piking?

I hope i can get some informations from you here.
I am very sorry for my bad Englisch.

All the best

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Re: Trout on Deadbait

Post by Steve D » Sat Dec 05 2020 18:56

It’s very common for trout to be caught on deadbaits, they can actually become a pain but it’s all part and parcel of fishing for pike on the trout reservoirs . It doesn’t seem to matter what bait you use either, if they can fit it in their gob they will have it! There’s been some Huge ones caught on deadbaits over the years by Pikers . I’ve had them to 11lb myself on mackerel but others have had much bigger.

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Re: Trout on Deadbait

Post by Mattjb » Sat Dec 05 2020 20:00

Over here some of us pikers fish reservoirs that are stocked with trout as the pike that live in them grow big eating them.Catching trout on deadbaits is fairly common on these waters,the bigger ones are often brown trout.I've had several over 10lb with the biggest going 17.13lb but I believe the biggest from Chew valley is around 22lb.They will take sea deads such as sardines and mackerel and the days when they are really on the feed they can be a nuisance if you are trying to catch pike!

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Re: Trout on Deadbait

Post by Mike J » Sun Dec 06 2020 13:03

In some English rivers migratory Trout/Sea Trout will eat deadbaits, sea fish baits but also baits made from fish pellets used in commercial fish farming, I know of fish to 7kg that have been caught on both.
Large Brown trout can also be caught on some lure patterns/colours.

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Re: Trout on Deadbait

Post by Mark Phillips » Sun Jan 10 2021 14:46

Mattjb wrote:
Over here some of us pikers fish reservoirs that are stocked with trout as the pike that live in them grow big eating them.Catching trout on deadbaits is fairly common on these waters,the bigger ones are often brown trout.I've had several over 10lb with the biggest going 17.13lb but I believe the biggest from Chew valley is around 22lb.They will take sea deads such as sardines and mackerel and the days when they are really on the feed they can be a nuisance if you are trying to catch pike!
Agree 100%, very common to get trout picking up deads on UK trout reservoirs, the biggest trout each year are usually caught by pike anglers. LOL. Lure wise, if you fish with certain lures and err on the smaller side, it can be a fish a cast in some places - hence the sensible rules applied regarding minimum lure sizes. Having said that, I've had a few double figure brownies on lures when pike fishing - all have taken big lures, e.g. I had 15.08 brownie on a 14" crank bait.
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Post by Mattjb » Sun Jan 10 2021 15:53

Mark Phillips wrote:
Mattjb wrote:
Over here some of us pikers fish reservoirs that are stocked with trout as the pike that live in them grow big eating them.Catching trout on deadbaits is fairly common on these waters,the bigger ones are often brown trout.I've had several over 10lb with the biggest going 17.13lb but I believe the biggest from Chew valley is around 22lb.They will take sea deads such as sardines and mackerel and the days when they are really on the feed they can be a nuisance if you are trying to catch pike!
Agree 100%, very common to get trout picking up deads on UK trout reservoirs, the biggest trout each year are usually caught by pike anglers. LOL. Lure wise, if you fish with certain lures and err on the smaller side, it can be a fish a cast in some places - hence the sensible rules applied regarding minimum lure sizes. Having said that, I've had a few double figure brownies on lures when pike fishing - all have taken big lures, e.g. I had 15.08 brownie on a 14" crank bait.
I was fishing walley bank one February next to my mate using the same baits. I had a 26,19 and four other doubles.My mate on the other hand had a mare,lost a good pike at the net then proceeded to get absolutely annihilated by trout,every cast.Poor b*****d couldn't keep a bait out there for 5 mins ! Eventually he hooked what he was sure was a big pike,it turned out to be a trout around 8lb hooked in the back!
It was strange he was getting the trout trouble and I wasn't,can only think he was in the edge of a big shoal of them.

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Re: Trout on Deadbait

Post by keith the piker » Thu Jan 14 2021 12:40

As Matt says, trout can be a real nuisance when deadbaiting for pike. I've had a lot of big ferox trout from a glacial lake on dead baits (they seem to like herring best ...) with some of these being caught at night.

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Post by Luki86 » Fri Jan 15 2021 15:49

Many Thanks for your answers my friends. :)
Take the trouts the deadbait from the bottom? Maybe they do scavenging like the big pikes?

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Post by andrew_nagel » Sat Jan 16 2021 14:22

On big glacial lakes with natural stocks of wild trout they take deadbaits regularly. It's usually bigger trout and it's surprising the size of baits they'll take. I've caught lots of them on bottom fished deadbaits intended for pike. Also had them on livebaits and lures fished higher in the water.

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Post by DavyMc » Sat Jan 16 2021 14:47

My pal decided to stop trolling for ferox trout which is particularly slow on that water and just basically pike fish in 60 plus feet of water. Amused himself by catching small ones on the maggot feeder and after many days trying caught one of 11lb. Not the most productive of waters to any method it although it does records every few decades, there're plenty more lochs further north that would do multiple catches of smaller trout on baits in a day.
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Re: Trout on Deadbait

Post by Pinkie » Wed Jan 27 2021 17:18

A couple of years ago I nearly caught a Thames trout on a bleak in a weir pool. I was just reeling in the bleak after catching it on maggot, the bleak surfaces, then all of a sudden this big fish flashes out from nowhere, bolts towards the bleak, makes a grab for it but misses! At first sight I thought pike, then that's no pike, and then that was a trout, just as my mate says "was that a trout"? Said trout was quite silvery grey like a sea trout, and about 3lb in weight. Reminded me of the book, Trout of the Thames, by Hobbs. But back then when it was written Hobbs used bleak to catch double figure trout from the Thames. Still, nice to know that they're still in there!

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Re: Trout on Deadbait

Post by Luki86 » Thu Jan 28 2021 10:54

Many thanks for your answer!
Sounds interessting with the book. Is there something written about nightfishing in this book?

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Re: Trout on Deadbait

Post by Pinkie » Thu Jan 28 2021 13:30

I think Hobbs did most of his trout. fishing during the day. Anyways, I can't remember reading about any night time adventure. Still, it's a great read.

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Post by Burnyburnside » Wed Feb 17 2021 15:37

I've never had trout on deadbait but had some quality chub on the rivers

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Post by John Milford » Tue Feb 23 2021 15:37

On the local river for a few hours this morning with my fishing pal Keil. The first time either of us have fished it for years.

Float paternostering small deads in the hope of a pike, as the river had finally fined down after charging through for weeks!

We both had a couple of missed runs, then Keil hooked the culprit for his! :cool:

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Post by Pinkie » Tue Feb 23 2021 17:34

What a great trout. I bet your friend was surprised.

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Post by John Milford » Tue Feb 23 2021 18:40

Pinkie wrote:
What a great trout. I bet your friend was surprised.
He was chuffed! :thumbs: Brownies are not uncommon in our local river, but it's unusual to get them that size!

(I told him it was out of season, so it 'didn't count'!). :laughs:
"He's some sort of lure savant. Or just has an unhealthy addiction to old lures. We are not quite sure . . . . . "

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Post by Paddy_R » Tue Feb 23 2021 19:30

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It's the time of year for them on deads. This one picked up my (sizeable) bait at the weekend, two weeks after picking up a mate's!
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Post by Monts » Tue Feb 23 2021 19:57

Paddy_R wrote:
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It's the time of year for them on deads. This one picked up my (sizeable) bait at the weekend, two weeks after picking up a mate's!


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Post by Will Smith » Tue Feb 23 2021 20:16

Two very nice trout there boys :thumbs: .
Did you ID it immediately as the same fish Paddy or was it not until you got the photos out later ?
Also was the recapture in the same general area or a fair distance away for the first capture ?

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Post by Paddy_R » Tue Feb 23 2021 20:23

Will Smith wrote:
Two very nice trout there boys :thumbs: .
Did you ID it immediately as the same fish Paddy or was it not until you got the photos out later ?
Also was the recapture in the same general area or a fair distance away for the first capture ?

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Similar area Will so had a fair idea it might be. Was nearly half a pound heavier but the same length. Confirmed it with photos.

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Post by Will Smith » Tue Feb 23 2021 20:26

Paddy_R wrote:
Will Smith wrote:
Two very nice trout there boys :thumbs: .
Did you ID it immediately as the same fish Paddy or was it not until you got the photos out later ?
Also was the recapture in the same general area or a fair distance away for the first capture ?

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Similar area Will so had a fair idea it might be. Was nearly half a pound heavier but the same length. Confirmed it with photos.
Thanks Paddy, I am aware of a few repeat captures of trout on some of the waters that I fish, it has never happened to me though.

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Post by Happy Hayes » Tue Feb 23 2021 21:39

Well done Gents
Lovely fish .
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Post by nigel savage » Wed Feb 24 2021 11:43

Paddy_R wrote:
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It's the time of year for them on deads. This one picked up my (sizeable) bait at the weekend, two weeks after picking up a mate's!
Superb fish Paddy :thumbs:

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Re: Trout on Deadbait

Post by nigel savage » Wed Feb 24 2021 12:16

Fact is that Trout eat fish it's a simple as that, each season good numbers start on the coarse fry around June, and some grow really big on them over the coming years, I have personally caught Trout, 8lb Rainbow with 3 x 6/7 inch roach in them in the past, and have also witnessed decent sized fish with large pieces of decomposed Trout inside stomach contents, there are a scavenger as much as Pike, and any other predator.

Also witnessed Large trout that have choked on fish, one fish (Double) had a 14oz Perch lodged in it's throat

Hanningfield reservoir in Essex used to have massive/huge Rainbows that hung around the stock fish cages, and as well as the free pellets, they also fed off the decomposed/rotting stock fish at the bottom of their cages.

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