I use the typical pigeon food as a particle for the river carp only my burco has a terminal illness, all the bait is soaking and I'm going on holiday before I can get another, my mate " Mad Martin" recons that uncooked seeds (although fully soaked) is bad for the fish, I think he is wrong but what do you think???
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Boiling bait...or not?
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Boiling bait...or not?
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Re: Boiling bait...or not?
Some particles can be bad for the fish if not cooked I believe, but most cooking is done to bring the fermentation forward and make them more attractive in my understanding. In America they use a lot of maize and they just soak that for weeks at a time, they never boil it.
A fish doesn’t have a very complicated digestive system, I saw a fish doctor say it’s like a long bag where what goes in the mouth effectively pushes out what’s at the other end of the stomach so nothing sits there for very long. Hence why you see your bait on the mat sometimes I guess.
A fish doesn’t have a very complicated digestive system, I saw a fish doctor say it’s like a long bag where what goes in the mouth effectively pushes out what’s at the other end of the stomach so nothing sits there for very long. Hence why you see your bait on the mat sometimes I guess.
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Re: Boiling bait...or not?
Fish on.... wrote: ↑Sun May 06 2018 10:32 -"but most cooking is done to bring the fermentation forward and make them more attractive in my understanding."Some particles can be bad for the fish if not cooked I believe, but most cooking is done to bring the fermentation forward and make them more attractive in my understanding. In America they use a lot of maize and they just soak that for weeks at a time, they never boil it.
A fish doesn’t have a very complicated digestive system, I saw a fish doctor say it’s like a long bag where what goes in the mouth effectively pushes out what’s at the other end of the stomach so nothing sits there for very long. Hence why you see your bait on the mat sometimes I guess.
I agree with that, you can see the starch oozing out of the split seeds, then after a few days, the smell of the active bait is obvious particularly if you add molasses but I catch enough bream anyway
Cheers ALan
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Re: Boiling bait...or not?
cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: ↑Sun May 06 2018 10:48 -one reason for boiling is it stops dropped seeds germinating, it also turns starch into sugar, maple peas that have been left to soak and ferment a few days are much better than straight out the pan.Fish on.... wrote: ↑Sun May 06 2018 10:32 -"but most cooking is done to bring the fermentation forward and make them more attractive in my understanding."Some particles can be bad for the fish if not cooked I believe, but most cooking is done to bring the fermentation forward and make them more attractive in my understanding. In America they use a lot of maize and they just soak that for weeks at a time, they never boil it.
A fish doesn’t have a very complicated digestive system, I saw a fish doctor say it’s like a long bag where what goes in the mouth effectively pushes out what’s at the other end of the stomach so nothing sits there for very long. Hence why you see your bait on the mat sometimes I guess.
I agree with that, you can see the starch oozing out of the split seeds, then after a few days, the smell of the active bait is obvious particularly if you add molasses but I catch enough bream anyway
Cheers ALan
Some seeds may not have been soaked enough when the carp eats them---you may get problems.
Just soak them Al, really soak them, drain off then put in a large cool box and fill up with boiling water----next morning everything is just fine.
Some pigeon mixes only need covering in boiling water and don't need soaking, they are usually the conditioning ones and are full of small seeds.
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Re: Boiling bait...or not?
cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: ↑Sun May 06 2018 10:48 -One main reason to soak/boil some particles is to swell them so they dont expand if eaten.Fish on.... wrote: ↑Sun May 06 2018 10:32 -"but most cooking is done to bring the fermentation forward and make them more attractive in my understanding."Some particles can be bad for the fish if not cooked I believe, but most cooking is done to bring the fermentation forward and make them more attractive in my understanding. In America they use a lot of maize and they just soak that for weeks at a time, they never boil it.
A fish doesn’t have a very complicated digestive system, I saw a fish doctor say it’s like a long bag where what goes in the mouth effectively pushes out what’s at the other end of the stomach so nothing sits there for very long. Hence why you see your bait on the mat sometimes I guess.
I agree with that, you can see the starch oozing out of the split seeds, then after a few days, the smell of the active bait is obvious particularly if you add molasses but I catch enough bream anyway
Cheers ALan
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