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Steve Hincks wrote: Tue Aug 08 2023 18:10 -
More brainwashing and fixing problems that don’t exist,
I have seen the vid but still not sure of what it is or how it works, one things for sure I won’t be buying any,
A basic as you can get away with rig with an item of food on that they actually want to eat and a very sharp hook in the right place will continue to out-fish that sort of nonsense every time 😀
Im N sure you are right Steve but it’s obvious what it does it pulls the hook home as soon as the carp moves with the bait. Before it can eject it. Look at the videos the carp ejects loads of freebies. Not the hook bait
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That’s the thing with marketing Nev you only see what they want you to see, and yet a simple running rig is incredibly effective with initially nothing to set the hook,
I have the upmost confidence in my fishing so I don’t feel the need to use it,
I’ll still be interested on how you get on with it though 👍🏻
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Neville Fickling wrote: Tue Aug 08 2023 20:19 -
Steve Hincks wrote: Tue Aug 08 2023 18:10 -
More brainwashing and fixing problems that don’t exist,
I have seen the vid but still not sure of what it is or how it works, one things for sure I won’t be buying any,
A basic as you can get away with rig with an item of food on that they actually want to eat and a very sharp hook in the right place will continue to out-fish that sort of nonsense every time 😀
Im N sure you are right Steve but it’s obvious what it does it pulls the hook home as soon as the carp moves with the bait. Before it can eject it. Look at the videos the carp ejects loads of freebies. Not the hook bait
What I'd like to see is how strong those arms are. It's claimed that they'll pull through weed, but obviously the pull can be in both directions and a V shape can't glide through both ways. If the line should break and the fish tows it, will it then be trailing a huge ball of weed? If this gets snagged in the net mesh is it going to just rip the hook out?

The promotion is very heavy on hype, as you'd expect, but Ali is surely savvy enough to know that anglers these days are paranoid about fish safety and on the face of it, this looks a bit questionable. If it isn't a danger to the fish in the net or in the event of a breakage, fair play, but they should have anticipated the criticism and demonstrated (if possible) that it isn't.
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I will get one ,I love playing around with new gadgets
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I suppose you could us it as a weed rake on the retrieval 😆
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Here goes my Two peneth worth…

The method feeders with the elastic through them, I was on the match scene back then (25/30 years ago maybe) and the elastic was to take the shock of the take, it wasn’t to aid hooking. We were limited with hook length materials back then and were into to pre-stretched lines, drennan double strength etc, you could get busted on the take in them days, it was fairly early in the commercial fishery scene and specialist tackle wasn’t as advanced as it is now and we wasn’t used to catching such big, powerful fish.
Ali is a very clever guy in terms of media. Wasn’t he a student at Liverpool doing media studies? cut his teeth on the cheshire waters IIRC. His media skills took Korda to another galaxy, perfect storm I guess, just as social media and youtube went big. Korda get a lot of stick but they put an awful lot back into the sport. I was surprised as anyone when he left. I’m amazed he didn’t see this storm coming with this product. Can’t comment either way until all the facts are known really. Does remind me of the second ‘bivvy tramps’ book with the retracting hook link to hook the fish when you saw the take via the camera built into the lead 😂
I think a lot of fisheries that have banned it before it reaches the shelves are doing so as a precautionary measure until the thing can be assessed properly, a sensible decision. At the moment all we can go on is the hyperbole and we know not to trust that and to assess through experience. It could go either way I feel.
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I think the theory of it seams sound but the underwater stuff did not convince me that is was any more effective than many other set ups. The concerns made by other re safety and the clip being caught and damaged in the net (how much are they?) are sound and if fisheries ban them its game over as for sales. It reminds me a bit of the flurocarbon debate in that you "might" catch more fish but at what cost?
With super sharp modern hooks the force needed to activate the clip is probably enough on its own to hook the fish, then the bungee finishes the job just as the lead or the reel would have done anyways!

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I wonder how many pikers will integrate it in to their pike traces :exit:
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If only they realised earlier when they penned their grappling hook :roll:
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Ali has now done a video saying that you should always unhook your fish in the net. Not always possible though, is it? That's why they call them unhooking mats...
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Steve Dennington wrote: Wed Aug 09 2023 11:20 -
Ali has now done a video saying that you should always unhook your fish in the net. Not always possible though, is it? That's why they call them unhooking mats...
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davelumb wrote: Wed Aug 09 2023 12:03 -
Steve Dennington wrote: Wed Aug 09 2023 11:20 -
Ali has now done a video saying that you should always unhook your fish in the net. Not always possible though, is it? That's why they call them unhooking mats...
When in a hole, stop digging.
He's uploaded several videos to FB addressing the concerns of "haters". He says that the arms fold back and snap if they get weeded up by a fish towing the contraption, but when he bends the arm back it doesn't snap. He says it's no different to an anti tangle sleeve below the lead, but those don't have prongs facing forward and aren't of a shape that would easily gather a ball of blanket weed for the fish to tow around.

Time will tell. The Spomb wasn't an instant hit, but now they're pretty much universally used and you never see a rocket type spod anymore, but I'm highly doubtful that this gizmo will have the same success. Particularly given the fact that in many areas, as you've pointed out, bye-laws make its use illegal.
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I've been looking online for that photo in Carp Fever today. Was it pig skin injected with blood or something? That was thinking outside of the box back then.

Anyone recall it?
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Steve Dennington wrote: Wed Aug 09 2023 12:42 -
davelumb wrote: Wed Aug 09 2023 12:03 -
Steve Dennington wrote: Wed Aug 09 2023 11:20 -
Ali has now done a video saying that you should always unhook your fish in the net. Not always possible though, is it? That's why they call them unhooking mats...
When in a hole, stop digging.
He's uploaded several videos to FB addressing the concerns of "haters". He says that the arms fold back and snap if they get weeded up by a fish towing the contraption, but when he bends the arm back it doesn't snap. He says it's no different to an anti tangle sleeve below the lead, but those don't have prongs facing forward and aren't of a shape that would easily gather a ball of blanket weed for the fish to tow around.

Time will tell. The Spomb wasn't an instant hit, but now they're pretty much universally used and you never see a rocket type spod anymore, but I'm highly doubtful that this gizmo will have the same success. Particularly given the fact that in many areas, as you've pointed out, bye-laws make its use illegal.
If it looked like it offered an advantage and it looked safe then there'd be no haters.

I only skimmed the original video but when showing off the 'biggest carp ever filmed taking a bait' weren't they in a boat with it in the net? I thought you only needed to get in a boat if a carp got weeded. :scratch:
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Would carp eventually wise up to this rig anyway?
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I think the hair rig was the original game changer and was in the spirit of angling. Not so sure about this rig?
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Steve Dennington wrote: Wed Aug 09 2023 11:20 -
Ali has now done a video saying that you should always unhook your fish in the net. Not always possible though, is it? That's why they call them unhooking mats...
Just seen that. All I noticed were the 'eel baits' he'd scooped in the net! :grin:
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Monts wrote: Wed Aug 09 2023 12:57 -
I've been looking online for that photo in Carp Fever today. Was it pig skin injected with blood or something? That was thinking outside of the box back then.

Anyone recall it?
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If the arms were detachable and easily snapped off, he could sell spares.

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pikin wrote: Wed Aug 09 2023 17:00 -
Monts wrote: Wed Aug 09 2023 12:57 -
I've been looking online for that photo in Carp Fever today. Was it pig skin injected with blood or something? That was thinking outside of the box back then.

Anyone recall it?
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The principle of this product is no different to a sea angler using a breakaway lead with those spikes on to hold in strong sea currents. Hardly appropriate for your average carp lake and likely to snag anywhere and no doubt tether Carp. Disgraceful product. No wonder lots of fisheries have banned the product from being used on their venues.

Like a lot of carp junk not thought through and total crap.
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Monts wrote: Wed Aug 09 2023 12:57 -
I've been looking online for that photo in Carp Fever today. Was it pig skin injected with blood or something? That was thinking outside of the box back then.

Anyone recall it?
Yeah I remember seeing it, cant remember what it was all about, have you got the book ?
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delboy wrote: Thu Aug 10 2023 12:16 -
Monts wrote: Wed Aug 09 2023 12:57 -
I've been looking online for that photo in Carp Fever today. Was it pig skin injected with blood or something? That was thinking outside of the box back then.

Anyone recall it?
Yeah I remember seeing it, cant remember what it was all about, have you got the book ?
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I have concerns about this both practically and ethically. Also worry about thr optics to the anti angling brigade. Is it legal under EA rules- I recall there are bans on engines or some such such as minnow traps - does this fall into that remit?

I'll wait and see where this goes as thr market may kill it
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As someone who likes a cheaper deal i give you the discounted magic twig in 3 different colours. :thumbs:
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Surely a hair rigged boilie attached to a very heavy lead is a self hooking rig is it not? Just saying.
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Have to say the video of Al Hamidi choking up whilst talking about this rig was embarrassing to say the least. You'd think he's discovered a cure for cancer. Makes me question the sanity of some of these fellas.
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Mike F wrote: Fri Aug 11 2023 10:54 -
As someone who likes a cheaper deal i give you the discounted magic twig in 3 different colours. :thumbs:

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I will have one of each please... :thumbs:
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GAVIN H wrote: Fri Aug 11 2023 12:31 -
Have to say the video of Al Hamidi choking up whilst talking about this rig was embarrassing to say the least. You'd think he's discovered a cure for cancer. Makes me question the sanity of some of these fellas.
It is if the lead is 5oz or more..
The old way was to fish a running lead set up and wind the tip of the rod slightly into the lead
The clutch was set to give line under pressure.

It works a treat and some if my mates still fish that way but its trendy to fish slack lines now and people have bee brain washed into believing that carp are scared of tight lines..
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delboy wrote: Fri Aug 11 2023 13:15 -
Mike F wrote: Fri Aug 11 2023 10:54 -
As someone who likes a cheaper deal i give you the discounted magic twig in 3 different colours. :thumbs:

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I will have one of each please... :thumbs:
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