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Post by John Milford » Sat Apr 14 2018 19:20

Some of my wooden and plastic/tenite American plugs, in their vintage 'Falls City - My Buddy' stove-enamelled, steel box.

(Just a taster, to get us started - I'll be putting up some proper 'hard core' soon, I'm sure . . . :wink: )

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Post by Mark_Houghton » Sat Apr 14 2018 19:38

Lovely those mate. Have a few of those myself :thumbs:

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Post by jonsykes » Sat Apr 14 2018 22:59

Like that John. Seen a few eBay lots similar. Occasionally there’s part of someone’s inheritance for sale - when an old American guy has passed. Something quite spiritual about it when there’s an old guys entire collection in one lure box. Times have changed, mine would fill a skip (but mine haven’t been used as wisely!!)

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Post by John Milford » Sun Apr 15 2018 02:48

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Like that John. Seen a few eBay lots similar. Occasionally there’s part of someone’s inheritance for sale - when an old American guy has passed. Something quite spiritual about it when there’s an old guys entire collection in one lure box. Times have changed, mine would fill a skip (but mine haven’t been used as wisely!!)
Something spiritual :thumbs: Kinda spooky, but that is what I can't help thinking about with some of my oldest lures. Who has owned and appreciated them before me? It is the same for all the vintage stuff I own. I feel more like a caretaker, rather than an owner.

It's a collector's thing. :pipe:
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Post by Mike J » Sun Apr 15 2018 10:15

Nice, very nice.
They jog memories of those I have stashed somewhere, along with a Light Caster, a Black Arrow and a :scratch:

Will dig them all out and post a few pics.

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Post by John Milford » Sun Apr 15 2018 13:12

A close-up of the Heddon 'Punkinseeds' from my 'My Buddy' box.

The top one is the oldest. The gold eyes and surface hook hangers on both the belly and tail date it from 1950-61 (the odds are, it is older than me!)
The lower two have 'Bell' hook hangers on the tail and are two-part plastic construction with bulbous cream coloured eyes. This dates them from 1962-73.

The colours are SH 'Silver Herring', BGL 'Bluegill' (everyone's favourite :wink: ) and XRY 'Yellow Shore Minnow'.


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Post by Mark_Houghton » Sun Apr 15 2018 13:30

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A close-up of the Heddon 'Punkinseeds' from my 'My Buddy' box.

The top one is the oldest. The gold eyes and surface hook hangers on both the belly and tail date it from 1950-61 (the odds are, it is older than me!)
The lower two have 'Bell' hook hangers on the tail and are two-part plastic construction with bulbous cream coloured eyes. This dates them from 1962-73.

The colours are SH 'Silver Herring', BGL 'Bluegill' (everyone's favourite :wink: ) and XRY 'Yellow Shore Minnow'.


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When did they stop making those John? I have a plastic one that looks like a lot more recent version than your beauties....

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Post by John Milford » Sun Apr 15 2018 14:14

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When did they stop making those John? I have a plastic one that looks like a lot more recent version than your beauties....
Volume production ended in 1977 Mark. For their last few years, Heddon used 'Bell' hangers on both the belly hook and tail.

There were some much more recent low-volume Heddon '2nd editions' made, often in unusual colour patterns, due to the popularity of the series with collectors. Yours might be one of those? The other possibility is that it is from another company called Chippewa who made Punkinseeds too, very close copies of the Heddon (again, often in wild colour patterns).
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Post by Mark_Houghton » Sun Apr 15 2018 14:59

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When did they stop making those John? I have a plastic one that looks like a lot more recent version than your beauties....
Volume production ended in 1977 Mark. For their last few years, Heddon used 'Bell' hangers on both the belly hook and tail.

There were some much more recent low-volume Heddon '2nd editions' made, often in unusual colour patterns, due to the popularity of the series with collectors. Yours might be one of those? The other possibility is that it is from another company called Chippewa who made Punkinseeds too, very close copies of the Heddon (again, often in wild colour patterns).
Yes could very well be a 2nd edition, cheers John :thumbs:

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Post by Mark_Houghton » Sun Apr 15 2018 15:06

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When did they stop making those John? I have a plastic one that looks like a lot more recent version than your beauties....
Volume production ended in 1977 Mark. For their last few years, Heddon used 'Bell' hangers on both the belly hook and tail.

There were some much more recent low-volume Heddon '2nd editions' made, often in unusual colour patterns, due to the popularity of the series with collectors. Yours might be one of those? The other possibility is that it is from another company called Chippewa who made Punkinseeds too, very close copies of the Heddon (again, often in wild colour patterns).
Just snapped a pic....its marked "Heddon 9830 Punkinseed" on the belly.....brand new unused by the looks of it :thumbs:
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Post by John Milford » Sun Apr 15 2018 17:02

It's the 'ornament' version Mark - the ring on top is there so that it can be 'hung up' for display. They're also sold in sets, without hooks, as Christmas tree decorations! :santa:

I imagine the hooked version is fishable, but they don't have the same attention to detail as the boxed, certificated 'collectors' editions of the 9630 which have the authentic 'surface' hardware, rather than late-model 'bell' hangers . (They also have the model number painted on them so that they can't be passed off as original 'vintage' :wink: ).

Here's a pic of one I found on the net:
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Post by Mark_Houghton » Sun Apr 15 2018 17:32

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It's the 'ornament' version Mark - the ring on top is there so that it can be 'hung up' for display. They're also sold in sets, without hooks, as Christmas tree decorations! :santa:

I imagine the hooked version is fishable, but they don't have the same attention to detail as the boxed, certificated 'collectors' editions of the 9630 which have the authentic 'surface' hardware, rather than late-model 'bell' hangers . (They also have the model number painted on them so that they can't be passed off as original 'vintage' :wink: ).

Here's a pic of one I found on the net:
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Thanks for the info mate :thumbs:

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Post by John Milford » Sun Apr 15 2018 20:00

Some 'Mr Crabtree stuff' :pipe:

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And a bit of a tease for another day :grin:

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Post by Will Smith » Sun Apr 15 2018 22:27

Wow John, I am very impressed with all of this, you should be putting a display on at the Lurefair to show this lot off.
All with armed guards standing by of course :laughs: .

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Post by John Milford » Mon Apr 16 2018 11:45

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It's the 'ornament' version Mark - the ring on top is there so that it can be 'hung up' for display. They're also sold in sets, without hooks, as Christmas tree decorations! :santa:

I imagine the hooked version is fishable, but they don't have the same attention to detail as the boxed, certificated 'collectors' editions of the 9630 which have the authentic 'surface' hardware, rather than late-model 'bell' hangers . (They also have the model number painted on them so that they can't be passed off as original 'vintage' :wink: ).

Here's a pic of one I found on the net:
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Thanks for the info mate :thumbs:
I've just found out a little more about them Mark. The 'Reissue' Punkinseeds were reintroduced by PRADCO in 2005. There were boxed 'collectors' models in 50 all-new colours, but the old hardware style. There were '1st' quality and '2nd' (slight paint imperfections - and a red 'dot' stamped in the belly). The 'ornament' versions were in colours close to the originals, but with the extra eye and 'bell' hangers, to differentiate them from earlier originals.

(Bloody Hell! 50 new colours! I think I'll pass on trying to collect all those! :laughs: ).
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Post by Mark_Houghton » Mon Apr 16 2018 12:08

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It's the 'ornament' version Mark - the ring on top is there so that it can be 'hung up' for display. They're also sold in sets, without hooks, as Christmas tree decorations! :santa:

I imagine the hooked version is fishable, but they don't have the same attention to detail as the boxed, certificated 'collectors' editions of the 9630 which have the authentic 'surface' hardware, rather than late-model 'bell' hangers . (They also have the model number painted on them so that they can't be passed off as original 'vintage' :wink: ).

Here's a pic of one I found on the net:
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Thanks for the info mate :thumbs:
I've just found out a little more about them Mark. The 'Reissue' Punkinseeds were reintroduced by PRADCO in 2005. There were boxed 'collectors' models in 50 all-new colours, but the old hardware style. There were '1st' quality and '2nd' (slight paint imperfections - and a red 'dot' stamped in the belly). The 'ornament' versions were in colours close to the originals, but with the extra eye and 'bell' hangers, to differentiate them from earlier originals.

(Bloody Hell! 50 new colours! I think I'll pass on trying to collect all those! :laughs: ).
Thanks John :handshake: Would be an impressive display....all 50 colours together :cool:

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Post by davelumb » Mon Apr 16 2018 12:39

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I had some of those as a youth - the pipe came later... IIRC they were sold in cellophane packets (possibly), cost little and were crap (definitely)!

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I had some of those as a youth - the pipe came later... IIRC they were sold in cellophane packets (possibly), cost little and were crap (definitely)!
Yes think youre right about the packets. I can remember buying a few in the early 80s when I first started proper Piking. Didnt PDQ or a similar brand used to sell them?

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Post by davelumb » Mon Apr 16 2018 13:10

I think it may well have been Pegley Davies now you mention it. :thumbs:

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Post by John Milford » Mon Apr 16 2018 13:13

Barrie used to do well enough with them :thumbs: . Do you remember his anecdote in (I think) 'Plugs and Plug Fishing' - When he was fishing (and catching) on a blue jointed one (?) in the East Riding of Yorkshire? He came across some anglers with a big box of "flashy" American plugs and wearing "poncey pork-pie titfers" :red:

They weren't catching as well as him, so he initially dismissed their fancy plugs as useless! :laughs:

Yes, you recall correctly that they mostly came in cellophane packets Dave. One or two of the "posher" makers, like Allcock, Horton Evans and Pegley-Davis sold theirs in boxes and were a little less 'generic'.

Allcocks used to name theirs "River Avon" (below) "Slapton" (bottom one in the tweedy picture) and "Thames" (The "Bass-Oreno" type next to it).

Not much of a colour choice in those days. Usually just Green, Red/Brown or Blue!

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Post by Mark_Houghton » Mon Apr 16 2018 13:18

I`ve got quite a few which were part of a joblot of 40 old wooden lures all for a quid each....fortunately the lot contained some old Shakespeares, Pfluegers and Paw Paws so it was a good deal. Got some pics somewhere....

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I`ve got quite a few which were part of a joblot of 40 old wooden lures all for a quid each....fortunately the lot contained some old Shakespeares, Pfluegers and Paw Paws so it was a good deal. Got some pics somewhere....
Here`s the pics, started another thread so as not to detract from Johns pics, but he asked me to repost on here. Got these as a joblot, 40 lures for £40. No idea what the lures are in the centre and bottom left of the first pic :scratch: Some nice old wooden lures among them :cool:
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Post by John Milford » Mon Apr 16 2018 14:34

We'll, apart from two South Bend 'Wood Peckers'!!! (top right, first pic) you've got a plug there Mark that is easily worth, on it's own, what you paid for the whole lot!

The little green jointed plug in the middle is an Allcocks 'Towner-Coston', circa 1940's. They are very rare plugs and yours is as good as I've ever seen. A little gem!

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We'll, apart from two South Bend 'Wood Peckers'!!! (top right, first pic) you've got a plug there Mark that is easily worth, on it's own, what you paid for the whole lot!

The little green jointed plug in the middle is an Allcocks 'Towner-Coston', circa 1940's. They are very rare plugs and yours is as good as I've ever seen. A little gem!

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Yes, I id`d the woodpeckers :thumbs:

Better pics of it (remembered where it was!)....
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Post by John Milford » Mon Apr 16 2018 17:26

That was a brilliant £40-worth you got there Mark! :thumbs:

No idea what the little plug bottom left, pic 1 is! Quite distinctive hardware, but not seen anything similar before.

There are a few pre-WW2 baits. The Heddon Zig Wag dates from the 1930's, judging by the two-part hangers. The Creek Chub Wiggler is mid-30's, latest, as the top line tie was discontinued after that time. The glass-eyed Pal-o-mines are most likely pre-war also.

Glass eyes are a good clue to pre-war lures, as the eyes were imported from Germany, and they were a bit too busy building tanks to worry about lure components once it all kicked off! (Creek Chub apparently had loads in stock, so their GE lures continued in production into the early 1950's, much later than most).

(And no, I haven't got a Towner-Coston!)
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That was a brilliant £40-worth you got there Mark! :thumbs:

No idea what the little plug bottom left, pic 1 is! Quite distinctive hardware, but not seen anything similar before.

There are a few pre-WW2 baits. The Heddon Zig Wag dates from the 1930's, judging by the two-part hangers. The Creek Chub Wiggler is mid-30's, latest, as the top line tie was discontinued after that time. The glass-eyed Pal-o-mines are most likely pre-war also.

Glass eyes are a good clue to pre-war lures, as the eyes were imported from Germany, and they were a bit too busy building tanks to worry about lure components once it all kicked off! (Creek Chub apparently had loads in stock, so their GE lures continued in production into the early 1950's, much later than most).

(And no, I haven't got a Towner-Coston!)
youre an encyclopaedia John :worthy:

....and you own one of those now mate, that one`s yours, will send it with the bugs. Only collectables i`m really bothered about are those I intend to use, so its good to see that one going to a good home :thumbs:

ps, you can still buy those glass eyes online (Germany I think), about 12 quid a pair !! :afraid:

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That was a brilliant £40-worth you got there Mark! :thumbs:

No idea what the little plug bottom left, pic 1 is! Quite distinctive hardware, but not seen anything similar before.

There are a few pre-WW2 baits. The Heddon Zig Wag dates from the 1930's, judging by the two-part hangers. The Creek Chub Wiggler is mid-30's, latest, as the top line tie was discontinued after that time. The glass-eyed Pal-o-mines are most likely pre-war also.

Glass eyes are a good clue to pre-war lures, as the eyes were imported from Germany, and they were a bit too busy building tanks to worry about lure components once it all kicked off! (Creek Chub apparently had loads in stock, so their GE lures continued in production into the early 1950's, much later than most).

(And no, I haven't got a Towner-Coston!)
youre an encyclopaedia John :worthy:

....and you own one of those now mate, that one`s yours, will send it with the bugs. Only collectables i`m really bothered about are those I intend to use, so its good to see that one going to a good home :thumbs:

ps, you can still buy those glass eyes online (Germany I think), about 12 quid a pair !! :afraid:
We'll, I don't know what to say - other than thank you very much!! :yahoo:

(PM me your address mate, and I'll sort you out a bunch of nice little baits that I can't quite bring myself to fish with, but I'm sure you might :wink: ).
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John Milford wrote:
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That was a brilliant £40-worth you got there Mark! :thumbs:

No idea what the little plug bottom left, pic 1 is! Quite distinctive hardware, but not seen anything similar before.

There are a few pre-WW2 baits. The Heddon Zig Wag dates from the 1930's, judging by the two-part hangers. The Creek Chub Wiggler is mid-30's, latest, as the top line tie was discontinued after that time. The glass-eyed Pal-o-mines are most likely pre-war also.

Glass eyes are a good clue to pre-war lures, as the eyes were imported from Germany, and they were a bit too busy building tanks to worry about lure components once it all kicked off! (Creek Chub apparently had loads in stock, so their GE lures continued in production into the early 1950's, much later than most).

(And no, I haven't got a Towner-Coston!)
youre an encyclopaedia John :worthy:

....and you own one of those now mate, that one`s yours, will send it with the bugs. Only collectables i`m really bothered about are those I intend to use, so its good to see that one going to a good home :thumbs:

ps, you can still buy those glass eyes online (Germany I think), about 12 quid a pair !! :afraid:
We'll, I don't know what to say - other than thank you very much!! :yahoo:

(PM me your address mate, and I'll sort you out a bunch of nice little baits that I can't quite bring myself to fish with, but I'm sure you might :wink: ).
Just off chasing Perch, so will msg you later tonight John :thumbs:

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We'll, apart from two South Bend 'Wood Peckers'!!! (top right, first pic) you've got a plug there Mark that is easily worth, on it's own, what you paid for the whole lot!

The little green jointed plug in the middle is an Allcocks 'Towner-Coston', circa 1940's. They are very rare plugs and yours is as good as I've ever seen. A little gem!

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That looks somewhat like an AC Plug.

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davelumb wrote:
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We'll, apart from two South Bend 'Wood Peckers'!!! (top right, first pic) you've got a plug there Mark that is easily worth, on it's own, what you paid for the whole lot!

The little green jointed plug in the middle is an Allcocks 'Towner-Coston', circa 1940's. They are very rare plugs and yours is as good as I've ever seen. A little gem!

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That looks somewhat like an AC Plug.
:joker: But seriously, yes, I can see where you're coming from Dave :wink: . The 'Towner-Coston' though, has a rounded-off, oblong cross-section with deep vertical grooves.

The funny thing is, they're catalogued as available in green, brown and blue - but I've only ever seen green ones? :shrug:
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