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Post by John Milford » Tue May 01 2018 18:48

The little Clipper is worth the current bid on its own - but yes, I'm kind of hoping that it has drawn attention away from something much less obvious, but perhaps another half a century older!

How do these really old baits find their way into people's tackle boxes! :shrug:

PS: You're right though - I do collect some tat! For instance, one of these - that I've just picked up for a few quid to go in my 'My Buddy' box at the start of this thread. A nice, early (Pat Pending :wink: ) 'De-Liar' combined scale and tape measure. Langley did two models; the 208 (8lb) and 228 (28 lb) - I think they were eventually taken over by Zebco, as I've seen their name on later ones.

It's not just about monetary value, this collecting obsession! :pipe:

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Post by John Milford » Wed May 02 2018 17:59

Some vintage baits that won't break the bank: The classic 'Bomber' by the company of that name, of Gainesville, Texas.

Bombers have been produced since 1947 and are based on a lure whittled by the fabulosly named Ralph Wham. Their foray into a plastic version of this iconic lure was an utter disaster, initially. The infamous '49er, (1949) with a thick plastic lip, performed so poorly compared to the cedar wood, metal-lipped versions that it nearly put the company out of business! (Needless to say, '49ers are highly prized by collectors).

Mine are all cedar versions, eventually replaced by a successful plastic model in 1972. They can be difficult to tell apart, but the wood ones always have a retaining screw for the diving vane which is never found on the plastics. Eagle-eyed collectors can differentiate the very early wood models by the stamping of the 'Luxon' line tie. (Later models have 'LuXon with an enlarged 'X'). :pipe:

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Love this pattern - do frogs ever swim backwards, ten feet deep?
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Post by davelumb » Wed May 02 2018 18:05

It's not just about monetary value, this collecting obsession! :pipe:
Indeed, it's a psychological disorder. :laughs:

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Post by Mark_Houghton » Thu May 03 2018 09:58

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Some vintage baits that won't break the bank: The classic 'Bomber' by the company of that name, of Gainesville, Texas.

Bombers have been produced since 1947 and are based on a lure whittled by the fabulosly named Ralph Wham. Their foray into a plastic version of this iconic lure was an utter disaster, initially. The infamous '49er, (1949) with a thick plastic lip, performed so poorly compared to the cedar wood, metal-lipped versions that it nearly put the company out of business! (Needless to say, '49ers are highly prized by collectors).

Mine are all cedar versions, eventually replaced by a successful plastic model in 1972. They can be difficult to tell apart, but the wood ones always have a retaining screw for the diving vane which is never found on the plastics. Eagle-eyed collectors can differentiate the very early wood models by the stamping of the 'Luxon' line tie. (Later models have 'LuXon with an enlarged 'X'). :pipe:

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Love this pattern - do frogs ever swim backwards, ten feet deep?
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Have you had many fish on that style bait John? it`s one style I never tried.....made some a while back too but havent got round to swimming them yet :red:

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Post by John Milford » Thu May 03 2018 10:23

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Have you had many fish on that style bait John? it`s one style I never tried.....made some a while back too but havent got round to swimming them yet :red:
To be honest Mark, I've not used the Bombers at all - the only ones I've got are the old cedar ones in my 'My Buddy' collection!

However, I have caught on the Woolworth's copies and also the Arbogast 'Mud Bug' which is very much the same type of plug.

I have resolved to revisit the old-style baits more this coming season though. My principle being twofold: That time-tested, successful old plugs were successful for a reason and also the thought that "The oldest plug in my box is a new one to a fish that hasn't seen one before!". :wink:
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Post by Jake Hamilton » Thu May 03 2018 11:23

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I have resolved to revisit the old-style baits more this coming season though. My principle being twofold: That time-tested, successful old plugs were successful for a reason and also the thought that "The oldest plug in my box is a new one to a fish that hasn't seen one before!". :wink:
:thumbs: There's only so many Savage Gear 4Plays a lake can take :laughs:

Give 'em a Gudebrod Sniper to shake things up :wink:
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Post by Mark_Houghton » Thu May 03 2018 11:23

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Have you had many fish on that style bait John? it`s one style I never tried.....made some a while back too but havent got round to swimming them yet :red:
To be honest Mark, I've not used the Bombers at all - the only ones I've got are the old cedar ones in my 'My Buddy' collection!

However, I have caught on the Woolworth's copies and also the Arbogast 'Mud Bug' which is very much the same type of plug.

I have resolved to revisit the old-style baits more this coming season though. My principle being twofold: That time-tested, successful old plugs were successful for a reason and also the thought that "The oldest plug in my box is a new one to a fish that hasn't seen one before!". :wink:
Ditto....great minds eh :thumbs: There`s a few vintage styles I didnt use much back in the day, like the flatfish styles, so intend to give a few "new" (to me) styles a swim this summer....

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Post by Mark_Houghton » Thu May 03 2018 11:24

Jake Hamilton wrote:
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I have resolved to revisit the old-style baits more this coming season though. My principle being twofold: That time-tested, successful old plugs were successful for a reason and also the thought that "The oldest plug in my box is a new one to a fish that hasn't seen one before!". :wink:
:thumbs: There's only so many Savage Gear 4Plays a lake can take :laughs:

Give 'em a Gudebrod Sniper to shake things up :wink:
Was given a load of those 4plays a while back, sold em on....utter tat :laughs:

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Post by John Milford » Thu May 03 2018 11:46

Here's another of my real treasures, a 'Serpentanic' bait by William Bartleet of Redditch (the company who produced the very successful 'Archer' bait mount).
The 'Serpentanic' patent was granted to Edgar Robert Smith Bartleet in 1891.

Mine is the best I have seen, save one, which was still on its original card and sold for $732 in an American auction in 2015. They are highly flexible metal baits with a body constructed of hellically wound wire. They're usually found looking like stretched 'slinkeys' and missing most or all of their hook flights. Even in that poor condition they still command silly prices because they weren't made in big numbers and very few have survived.

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Post by Mark_Houghton » Thu May 03 2018 13:47

Now thats a very cool old bait John :thumbs: :thumbs:

...these are my meagre efforts at doing some Bomber style baits....they swim nice....
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Post by John Milford » Fri May 04 2018 18:39

The humble Mepps spinner is a lure I'm sure we all have owned and used - but it is worth checking any you have, or find, as they are not always quite as 'humble' as you might think! Some 'Mepps' (Manufacturier D'Engins De Precision Pour Peches Sportives) are over 80 years old! The very earliest are very 'collectible' lures these days. They were designed by the French engineer Andre Meulnart in the early 1930's and are another of those lures that can be quite good at hiding their age at first glance.

If you find a Mepps stamped "British Patent Brevete France" it could be over 70 years old. From the early 1950's they were stamped "British French Patent US Pend" and these can be over 60 years old.

These are a few from my collection and are photographed on an original copy of the 1938 British Patent specification. Included are two of the very earliest models the 'Super Shimmy' spinners which pre-dates even the famous 'Aglia' (Latin for 'butterfly'). :pipe:

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Collectors call these very early Mepps 'Brevetes'. This old 'Comet' doesn't look 70 years old does it?
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Post by fergie68 » Fri May 04 2018 19:17

Those Mepps are pure class.
I feel the same about those plugs from the 50/60s I use No fish in the Scottish lochs have seen them before. :thumbs:
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Post by John Milford » Sun May 06 2018 00:31

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Found this in the lure cave earlier, a smaller version Tantrum (?).....

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Just seen one just like yours listed on eBay US Mark. Apparently it's a Pflueger 'Poprite'. Very similar to the 'Tantrum' - surprising they had two lures of nearly an identical 'niche' with two different names!
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Post by Mark_Houghton » Sun May 06 2018 09:53

John Milford wrote:
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Found this in the lure cave earlier, a smaller version Tantrum (?).....

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Just seen one just like yours listed on eBay US Mark. Apparently it's a Pflueger 'Poprite'. Very similar to the 'Tantrum' - surprising they had two lures of nearly an identical 'niche' with two different names!
Cheers for that John. Surprised they gave the smaller bait a totally different name. I`d have expected it to be called Tantrum Jr or something along those lines, if anything :thumbs:

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Post by John Milford » Sun May 06 2018 11:46

:thumbs: It was lucky to stumble upon that listing - don't we all like to know what lures are called? :wink: (all part of their alure!).

No doubt about what these are. All classic 'Norwich' spoons - all likely Allcocks. The bottom two are the oldest, judging by their hand-tooled finish. The second from bottom probably from James Gregory's workshop as it has a six clasp jeweler's mount for its glass eye. The little one at the bottom one has a rarer pin-mounted glass eye. The trace and weight look original and it would have been sold with them attached in that fashion.

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Post by Will Smith » Sun May 06 2018 22:00

Good luck John.

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Post by Will Smith » Sun May 06 2018 22:12

Well, £290.00. :afraid: Wow it went a bit mad at the end there.

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Post by John Milford » Sun May 06 2018 22:49

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Well, £290.00. :afraid: Wow it went a bit mad at the end there.

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I was in there for a few seconds at £210 Will. The little 'Clipper' was a banker for that price, but there was a really old 'dace' type tail spinner there too. It looked to have had paint applied at some stage in its life, possibly over an original glass onlay - difficult to tell from the photo. If it is a glass bait the winner has nailed an extremely rare old lure.

Never mind, I picked up a nice little lot that included an Allcocks 'Waterwitch Tartar' a few minutes earlier. Not quite in the same league, but a good buy :pipe:
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Post by Will Smith » Sun May 06 2018 23:14

Oh well, some you win some you lose, so they say.

I am learning a lot from this thread John, please keep it coming :thumbs: .

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Post by John Milford » Sun May 13 2018 22:11

I've been giving the thread a rest for a few days, but here is another of my 'museum quality' baits.

This 'Pigott Bait' is the best I've seen, bar none - unfished and complete with its original gut trace.

This dates from the first decade of the 20th Century and is probably 115 years old. Patented in 1903 by Robert Edward Pigott "Gentleman Farmer" of Queens Co. (now County Laois) Ireland.

This is the kind of condition that most collectors only dream of finding antique lures in :pipe:

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Post by Will Smith » Sun May 13 2018 22:37

Pleased you have returned John, I thought it might have been something I had said :laughs: .

I do like that, it could be made of Gold.

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Post by John Milford » Wed May 16 2018 19:23

The latest addition to my collection arrived today, something I spotted, half buried, in a rusty old tin that was included in a lot of mixed vintage tackle.

I love poorly photographed jumbles in rusty old tins - they usually contain the most interesting stuff!

I'm pleased to say it turned out to be exactly what I thought it was - a Victorian 'Josephson Hollow-fin Quill Minnow', one of the very early baits sold by Hardy's. I've never seen another, except in a lone illustration in Jamie Maxtone Graham's little book 'Fishing Tackle of Yesteryear'. I doubt more than a handful of these rare, fragile old baits have survived to the present day.

In the background are drilled bullets - not ones made as fishing weights, but actual pistol and rifle ball-rounds, drilled out to turn them into fishing weights! (Perhaps it's just me, but I find really old tackle items like this an endless fascination! :shrug: ).

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Post by davelumb » Wed May 16 2018 19:53

I find really old tackle interesting, too. :thumbs:

I wonder if in 90 years peopel will be drooling over Savage Gear lures? :joker:

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Post by John Milford » Wed May 16 2018 20:43

davelumb wrote:
I find really old tackle interesting, too. :thumbs:

I wonder if in 90 years peopel will be drooling over Savage Gear lures? :joker:
People drool over them now (but probably they're the sort who tend to drool, regardless :narfuk: )
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John Milford wrote:
davelumb wrote:
I find really old tackle interesting, too. :thumbs:

I wonder if in 90 years peopel will be drooling over Savage Gear lures? :joker:
People drool over them now (but probably they're the sort who tend to drool, regardless :narfuk: )
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Mark_Houghton wrote:
John Milford wrote:
davelumb wrote:
I find really old tackle interesting, too. :thumbs:

I wonder if in 90 years peopel will be drooling over Savage Gear lures? :joker:
People drool over them now (but probably they're the sort who tend to drool, regardless :narfuk: )
:laughs: :laughs: :laughs: :laughs:
The 'Josephson' wasn't the only addition to my collection today - some very kind person sent me an Allcock's 'Towner Coston' and a Pflueger 'Poprite'. Cheers Mark! :thumbs: :grin: .

(If anyone's wondering what they are, they'll just have to scroll back through the thread :wink: )
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Post by Mark_Houghton » Wed May 16 2018 21:29

John Milford wrote:
Mark_Houghton wrote:
John Milford wrote:
davelumb wrote:
I find really old tackle interesting, too. :thumbs:

I wonder if in 90 years peopel will be drooling over Savage Gear lures? :joker:
People drool over them now (but probably they're the sort who tend to drool, regardless :narfuk: )
:laughs: :laughs: :laughs: :laughs:
The 'Josephson' wasn't the only addition to my collection today - some very kind person sent me an Allcock's 'Towner Coston' and a Pflueger 'Poprite'. Cheers Mark! :thumbs: :grin: .

(If anyone's wondering what they are, they'll just have to scroll back through the thread :wink: )
Thought you`d like the Pflueger too mate :wink: :thumbs:

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Post by hb904460 » Thu May 17 2018 17:19

which lures of the past 5/10 years do you think will be future collectables?

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Post by John Milford » Thu May 17 2018 20:36

In my opinion, top-end Japanese hardbaits. Ito Engineering/ Megabass - high quality lures like that. They're expensive now, so who knows what they will be worth in 20+ years time?
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Post by MichaelHPAC » Sat May 19 2018 15:02

There's a load of lovely looking lures on here for sure but I detect a distinct lack of toothmarks :scratch:
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