(Vintage) Lure Porn

Talk about Lure/Tackle ID's; Reminisce over bygone times and old fishing tackle
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Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Post by davelumb » Thu Nov 22 2018 18:30

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Would it be cheating for me to look that lure up in my Whopper Stopper catalogue? :smile:
That's not cheating - it's 'research' :laughs: :pipe:

(As is Google Mark - good luck with that. I find that unless a search is very specific, it can be like looking for a needle in a haystack! I do find it useful to confirm detail on things I 'half remember' :wink: ).
Took 15 seconds to find the name of your baits mate :wink: :thumbs:
:thumbs: To be fair Mark, 'Whopper Stopper' does not bring up many extraneous results. I just tried it - and now I want a 'Lizzard' and a 'Topper' :hissy:
Dirty Bird.

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Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Post by John Milford » Thu Nov 22 2018 18:41

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:thumbs: (If anyone types that into their web browser, I cannot be held responsible for the search results . . . . :eek: ).
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Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Post by John Milford » Mon Nov 26 2018 16:17

An interesting development in the identification of these old baits.

I have been corresponding with a collector/dealer who informed me that he has seen them catalogued by Allcocks and described as the 'Aerialist Minnow'.

Somewhat posher than 'Roach Plug' then? :grin:

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Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Post by Mark_Houghton » Mon Nov 26 2018 16:48

John Milford wrote:
An interesting development in the identification of these old baits.

I have been corresponding with a collector/dealer who informed me that he has seen them catalogued by Allcocks and described as the 'Aerialist Minnow'.

Somewhat posher than 'Roach Plug' then? :grin:

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Much cooler name :grin: Spotted one of those Arbogast Dorados on Ebay earlier, but it was 20-odd quid with shipping from the US...

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Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Post by Will Smith » Mon Nov 26 2018 18:18

John Milford wrote:
An interesting development in the identification of these old baits.

I have been corresponding with a collector/dealer who informed me that he has seen them catalogued by Allcocks and described as the 'Aerialist Minnow'.

Somewhat posher than 'Roach Plug' then? :grin:

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John, did he enlighten you as to whether they used to be fish in a similar way to a Devon i.e. line/wire though the tube and maybe a treble at the rear ?

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Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Post by John Milford » Mon Nov 26 2018 20:15

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An interesting development in the identification of these old baits.

I have been corresponding with a collector/dealer who informed me that he has seen them catalogued by Allcocks and described as the 'Aerialist Minnow'.

Somewhat posher than 'Roach Plug' then? :grin:

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John, did he enlighten you as to whether they used to be fish in a similar way to a Devon i.e. line/wire though the tube and maybe a treble at the rear ?

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We just exchanged a couple of messages Will, after I saw one he had for offered sale as a 'Aerialist Minnow'.
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Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Post by John Milford » Mon Nov 26 2018 20:48

I picked up a great old South Bend bait off eBay last week. This sub-surface minnow - I think it's a variant of the 'Panatella' - had been painted white by a previous owner. On the basis that the white coat looked like it might come off, I took a punt as it was only a fiver, plus 2nd class post.

Here's what it looked like when I unpacked it today:
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And this is what was underneath the white paint :grin:
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The paint underneath has 99% coverage: green scale, cream belly and gold nose. By no means perfect, but very much better than I was expecting.

(If it had been very poor and a floater, I planned to send it to MH for a re-spray and fish with it. However, the original paint was OK and it turns out it's a sinker. Sorry Mark, I'm sure I'll find something else for you to work your magic on soon). :wink:
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Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Post by Mark_Houghton » Mon Nov 26 2018 20:52

John Milford wrote:
I picked up a great old South Bend bait off eBay last week. This sub-surface minnow - I think it's a variant of the 'Panatella' - had been painted white by a previous owner. On the basis that the white coat looked like it might come off, I took a punt as it was only a fiver, plus 2nd class post.

Here's what it looked like when I unpacked it today:
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And this is what was underneath the white paint :grin:
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The paint underneath has 99% coverage: green scale, cream belly and gold nose. By no means perfect, but very much better than I was expecting.

(If it had been very poor and a floater, I planned to send it to MH for a re-spray and fish with it. However, the original paint was OK and it turns out it's a sinker. Sorry Mark, I'm sure I'll find something else for you to work your magic on soon). :wink:
Thats a bonus John, saves me the stress of masking those old glass eyes too :grin: Your Sniper went out tonight btw mate so will be with you in the next day or two :thumbs:

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Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Post by John Milford » Tue Nov 27 2018 23:23

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You mentioning those Mark makes me ponder just how many baits have passed through our hands that, for one reason or another, we no longer have?

I had an 'Arby Hanger' (long gone) but still have several 'Phreds Shadeaux'. Nice wooden shad crankbaits. I've also got one of the 'walk the dog' baits from that series: 'Phred's Phideaux'. (Now, where are they . . . .?)
Here they are! Arbogast 'Phred's Phydeaux' :grin: The top one is the 6" size.

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(Phred's Shadeaux to follow, when I've finished rummaging through dozens of boxes!).
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Post by Mark_Houghton » Tue Nov 27 2018 23:39

That top one`s lovely....very Bagley-esque pattern :thumbs:

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Post by John Milford » Fri Nov 30 2018 15:35

I've dug out my 'Phred's Shadeaux' (bottom row). I can't quite recall whether or not the fatter versions (top row) were just a variant of the Shadeaux, or had their own name ('Fat Fred'?).

Despite their unsullied appearance, they've all had fish. At the time however (1990's) Heddon brought out a similar, superb, series of wood crankbaits - the Lee Sisson 'Ticker' series, which I rated very highly and used more. Lee Sisson also designed the earlier Heddon 'Timber Rattler' series and his 'Tickers' shared the same excellent, embedded rattle chambers.

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Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Post by Mark_Houghton » Sat Dec 01 2018 18:56

John Milford wrote:
I've dug out my 'Phred's Shadeaux' (bottom row). I can't quite recall whether or not the fatter versions (top row) were just a variant of the Shadeaux, or had their own name ('Fat Fred'?).

Despite their unsullied appearance, they've all had fish. At the time however (1990's) Heddon brought out a similar, superb, series of wood crankbaits - the Lee Sisson 'Ticker' series, which I rated very highly and used more. Lee Sisson also designed the earlier Heddon 'Timber Rattler' series and his 'Tickers' shared the same excellent, embedded rattle chambers.

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A quick google revealed the name "Fat Fred" was registered to Arbogast John, but couldnt find any pics of a Fat Fred lure :shrug:

Lovely looking baits those. I have a couple of Lee Sisson baits here, from when he was selling his own brand lures.

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Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Post by John Milford » Sat Dec 08 2018 22:50

Thomas Popham Luscombe - now there's a name to conjour with! Based in the city of Allahabad, where the holy Ganges meets the Yamuna and "invisible" Saraswati rivers in Northern India, his company was often the provisioner of choice for Victorian gentlemen adventurers seeking to tackle the mighty mahseer.

Other companies also provided this service, including Manton of Calcutta - and of course Hardy's and Farlow's in the UK.

Check out the wire guage on the treble of this scaled (on the reverse!) brass spoon!

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The quality, strength and attention to detail on Mahseer spoons, even the tiny fly spoons, is quite something to behold. The renowned fighting qualities of the mahseer was enough to ensure that no expense was spared in the tackle employed and the lures made for the purpose are some of the finest made.

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(NB: The lures themselves where probably made for Luscombe and Manton's by Warner's of Redditch).
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Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Post by davelumb » Sat Dec 08 2018 22:54

Changing that treble without a good pair of split ring pliers would play havoc with your nails!

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Post by John Milford » Sat Dec 08 2018 23:00

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Changing that treble without a good pair of split ring pliers would play havoc with your nails!
No they wouldn't, but they'd play havoc with one's man's nails . . . . :pipe:
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Post by Will Smith » Sat Dec 08 2018 23:06

Have you been doing a bit of polishing John ?
They do look very shiny.

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Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Post by John Milford » Sun Dec 09 2018 00:00

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Have you been doing a bit of polishing John ?
They do look very shiny.

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I've not polished them Will, but the smaller ones are quite bright. Possibly lacquered?
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Post by Will Smith » Sun Dec 09 2018 19:24

John Milford wrote:
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Have you been doing a bit of polishing John ?
They do look very shiny.

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I've not polished them Will, but the smaller ones are quite bright. Possibly lacquered?
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Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Post by John Milford » Wed Dec 12 2018 21:43

Not especially valuable or rare - just great :grin: I always liked the little Union Jack on these 1960's / 70's spinners.

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Post by davelumb » Wed Dec 12 2018 21:46

Never seen those Brexit lures before.

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Post by John Milford » Wed Dec 12 2018 22:29

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Never seen those Brexit lures before.
Is that you 'getting me back' for mentioning Brexit on the cricket thread? :clown:
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Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Post by davelumb » Wed Dec 12 2018 22:37

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Never seen those Brexit lures before.
Is that you 'getting me back' for mentioning Brexit on the cricket thread? :clown:
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