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Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Post by davelumb » Tue May 12 2020 17:51

John Milford wrote:
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'Deep Nerd' alert!

I've mentioned this Leonard Crossle 1905 patent 'Gravity Minnow' before (manufactured by Henry Milward & Sons of Redditch).

I recently also acquired an antique Milward's split shot flask.

The question is - did Milward use split shot flasks for the body of their 'Gravity Minnow' or did they sell surplus minnow bodies as shot flasks? :shrug: :dizzy:


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(I reckon the latter? :pipe: )
If you can find out which was sold first you'll have your answer. My guess would be that the flask came first if it wasn't for it being a strange shaped design for a shot container.
I think the odd shape nails it as coming after the lure too. :thumbs:

I can't imagine Milward thinking "What anglers need is an asymmetrical bi-conical shot flask!' (and then someone saying "You know what, Henry old chap, that would also make a spiffing lure body"! :scratch: :laughs:
Are there any clues on the ends of the flask? Such as indentations for drilling or something like that.

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Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Post by John Milford » Tue May 12 2020 18:05

davelumb wrote:
John Milford wrote:
davelumb wrote:
John Milford wrote:
'Deep Nerd' alert!

I've mentioned this Leonard Crossle 1905 patent 'Gravity Minnow' before (manufactured by Henry Milward & Sons of Redditch).

I recently also acquired an antique Milward's split shot flask.

The question is - did Milward use split shot flasks for the body of their 'Gravity Minnow' or did they sell surplus minnow bodies as shot flasks? :shrug: :dizzy:


IMG_20200512_151551.jpg

(I reckon the latter? :pipe: )
If you can find out which was sold first you'll have your answer. My guess would be that the flask came first if it wasn't for it being a strange shaped design for a shot container.
I think the odd shape nails it as coming after the lure too. :thumbs:

I can't imagine Milward thinking "What anglers need is an asymmetrical bi-conical shot flask!' (and then someone saying "You know what, Henry old chap, that would also make a spiffing lure body"! :scratch: :laughs:
Are there any clues on the ends of the flask? Such as indentations for drilling or something like that.
No, nothing like that Dave. Each half of the body is seamless, pressed brass. I doubt if any kind of indentation would have been required to drill the holes with the high precision machinery available at the time.

Milwards background was needle and hook manufacture, so they were very highly skilled in metal craft.
"He's some sort of lure savant. Or just has an unhealthy addiction to old lures. We are not quite sure . . . . . "

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Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

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John Milford wrote:
davelumb wrote:
John Milford wrote:
davelumb wrote:
John Milford wrote:
'Deep Nerd' alert!

I've mentioned this Leonard Crossle 1905 patent 'Gravity Minnow' before (manufactured by Henry Milward & Sons of Redditch).

I recently also acquired an antique Milward's split shot flask.

The question is - did Milward use split shot flasks for the body of their 'Gravity Minnow' or did they sell surplus minnow bodies as shot flasks? :shrug: :dizzy:


IMG_20200512_151551.jpg

(I reckon the latter? :pipe: )
If you can find out which was sold first you'll have your answer. My guess would be that the flask came first if it wasn't for it being a strange shaped design for a shot container.
I think the odd shape nails it as coming after the lure too. :thumbs:

I can't imagine Milward thinking "What anglers need is an asymmetrical bi-conical shot flask!' (and then someone saying "You know what, Henry old chap, that would also make a spiffing lure body"! :scratch: :laughs:
Are there any clues on the ends of the flask? Such as indentations for drilling or something like that.
No, nothing like that Dave. Each half of the body is seamless, pressed brass. I doubt if any kind of indentation would have been required to drill the holes with the high precision machinery available at the time.

Milwards background was needle and hook manufacture, so they were very highly skilled in metal craft.
You'll have to get your deerstalker and meerschaum out. Or maybe a violin to play while you ponder. :grin:

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Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Post by John Milford » Tue May 12 2020 19:58

davelumb wrote:
John Milford wrote:
davelumb wrote:
John Milford wrote:
davelumb wrote:
John Milford wrote:
'Deep Nerd' alert!

I've mentioned this Leonard Crossle 1905 patent 'Gravity Minnow' before (manufactured by Henry Milward & Sons of Redditch).

I recently also acquired an antique Milward's split shot flask.

The question is - did Milward use split shot flasks for the body of their 'Gravity Minnow' or did they sell surplus minnow bodies as shot flasks? :shrug: :dizzy:


IMG_20200512_151551.jpg

(I reckon the latter? :pipe: )
If you can find out which was sold first you'll have your answer. My guess would be that the flask came first if it wasn't for it being a strange shaped design for a shot container.
I think the odd shape nails it as coming after the lure too. :thumbs:

I can't imagine Milward thinking "What anglers need is an asymmetrical bi-conical shot flask!' (and then someone saying "You know what, Henry old chap, that would also make a spiffing lure body"! :scratch: :laughs:
Are there any clues on the ends of the flask? Such as indentations for drilling or something like that.
No, nothing like that Dave. Each half of the body is seamless, pressed brass. I doubt if any kind of indentation would have been required to drill the holes with the high precision machinery available at the time.

Milwards background was needle and hook manufacture, so they were very highly skilled in metal craft.
You'll have to get your deerstalker and meerschaum out. Or maybe a violin to play while you ponder. :grin:
. . . . . . and perhaps a small tincture of laudanum might assist? :violin: :pipe:
"He's some sort of lure savant. Or just has an unhealthy addiction to old lures. We are not quite sure . . . . . "

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Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Post by davelumb » Tue May 12 2020 20:26

John Milford wrote:
davelumb wrote:
John Milford wrote:
davelumb wrote:
John Milford wrote:
davelumb wrote:
John Milford wrote:
'Deep Nerd' alert!

I've mentioned this Leonard Crossle 1905 patent 'Gravity Minnow' before (manufactured by Henry Milward & Sons of Redditch).

I recently also acquired an antique Milward's split shot flask.

The question is - did Milward use split shot flasks for the body of their 'Gravity Minnow' or did they sell surplus minnow bodies as shot flasks? :shrug: :dizzy:


IMG_20200512_151551.jpg

(I reckon the latter? :pipe: )
If you can find out which was sold first you'll have your answer. My guess would be that the flask came first if it wasn't for it being a strange shaped design for a shot container.
I think the odd shape nails it as coming after the lure too. :thumbs:

I can't imagine Milward thinking "What anglers need is an asymmetrical bi-conical shot flask!' (and then someone saying "You know what, Henry old chap, that would also make a spiffing lure body"! :scratch: :laughs:
Are there any clues on the ends of the flask? Such as indentations for drilling or something like that.
No, nothing like that Dave. Each half of the body is seamless, pressed brass. I doubt if any kind of indentation would have been required to drill the holes with the high precision machinery available at the time.

Milwards background was needle and hook manufacture, so they were very highly skilled in metal craft.
You'll have to get your deerstalker and meerschaum out. Or maybe a violin to play while you ponder. :grin:
. . . . . . and perhaps a small tincture of laudanum might assist? :violin: :pipe:
I'm sure that would improve the inspiration. :dizzy:

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Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Post by John Milford » Fri May 15 2020 22:26

Picked up this big old wooden Creek Chub on eBay the other day. Almost certainly one originally from Ken Latham's of Potter Heigham.

I thought it was a standard 6" #2300 'Husky' Pikie when I bid on it. Now it's arrived I can really see how fat it is (not to mention the HUGE trebles) so I'm now pretty certain it's actually a #6900 'Striper' Pikie (#6912RE). The '12RE' pattern (Solid White with Red eye shadows) is a very scarce Creek Chub colour. :pipe:

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Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Post by davelumb » Sat May 16 2020 08:17

John Milford wrote:
Picked up this big old wooden Creek Chub on eBay the other day. Almost certainly one originally from Ken Latham's of Potter Heigham.

I thought it was a standard 6" #2300 'Husky' Pikie when I bid on it. Now it's arrived I can really see how fat it is (not to mention the HUGE trebles) so I'm now pretty certain it's actually a #6900 'Striper' Pikie (#6912RE). The '12RE' pattern (Solid White with Red eye shadows) is a very scarce Creek Chub colour. :pipe:


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Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Post by John Milford » Sat May 16 2020 11:02

davelumb wrote:
John Milford wrote:
Picked up this big old wooden Creek Chub on eBay the other day. Almost certainly one originally from Ken Latham's of Potter Heigham.

I thought it was a standard 6" #2300 'Husky' Pikie when I bid on it. Now it's arrived I can really see how fat it is (not to mention the HUGE trebles) so I'm now pretty certain it's actually a #6900 'Striper' Pikie (#6912RE). The '12RE' pattern (Solid White with Red eye shadows) is a very scarce Creek Chub colour. :pipe:


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El Bandito strikes again. :giggle:
:laughs: :thumbs:

My conscience is clear Dave 😇 . Too often, when I've missed out on a rare items, I've seen them immediately re-listed by dealers at inflated prices. They're the real bandits.

The way I look at it, at least I'm giving the lures I obtain an appreciative home. :pipe:

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Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Post by Will Smith » Sat May 16 2020 11:37

John Milford wrote:
davelumb wrote:
John Milford wrote:
Picked up this big old wooden Creek Chub on eBay the other day. Almost certainly one originally from Ken Latham's of Potter Heigham.

I thought it was a standard 6" #2300 'Husky' Pikie when I bid on it. Now it's arrived I can really see how fat it is (not to mention the HUGE trebles) so I'm now pretty certain it's actually a #6900 'Striper' Pikie (#6912RE). The '12RE' pattern (Solid White with Red eye shadows) is a very scarce Creek Chub colour. :pipe:


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El Bandito strikes again. :giggle:
:laughs: :thumbs:

My conscience is clear Dave 😇 . Too often, when I've missed out on a rare items, I've seen them immediately re-listed by dealers at inflated prices. They're the real bandits.

The way I look at it, at least I'm giving the lures I obtain an appreciative home. :pipe:


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To right John, I have actually stopped buying from a few dealers exactly because of that, however, I sometime wonder if I am 'cutting of my nose to spite my face' when I had the chance to buy the same as they did, still makes me angry though :mad:

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Post by davelumb » Sat May 16 2020 11:40

John Milford wrote:
davelumb wrote:
John Milford wrote:
Picked up this big old wooden Creek Chub on eBay the other day. Almost certainly one originally from Ken Latham's of Potter Heigham.

I thought it was a standard 6" #2300 'Husky' Pikie when I bid on it. Now it's arrived I can really see how fat it is (not to mention the HUGE trebles) so I'm now pretty certain it's actually a #6900 'Striper' Pikie (#6912RE). The '12RE' pattern (Solid White with Red eye shadows) is a very scarce Creek Chub colour. :pipe:


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El Bandito strikes again. :giggle:
:laughs: :thumbs:

My conscience is clear Dave 😇 . Too often, when I've missed out on a rare items, I've seen them immediately re-listed by dealers at inflated prices. They're the real bandits.

The way I look at it, at least I'm giving the lures I obtain an appreciative home. :pipe:


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Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Post by John Milford » Tue May 19 2020 16:51

Lures came with some hilariously dodgy advice back in the day! :pipe:

Tips 3 & 6 below are corkers! :roll:

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Post by davelumb » Tue May 19 2020 16:58

Here's a question for Grand Master Milfoli*.

When did plugs start being called plugs, and why? :scratch:



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Post by Monts » Tue May 19 2020 17:14

I'd be interested in that too, plugs sound better than crankbaits. I think Le Maitre mentioned that too on here some time back, it won't be long until summer plugging for Chub.
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Post by John Milford » Tue May 19 2020 19:39

The term 'plug' dates back to the beginning of the last century and referred initially to the basic wooden lure blanks. These looked very similar to barrel plugs - in fact the turned timber dowel was supplied to the factories by the same mills that produced barrel plugs.

The bait makers referred to the resulting lures as 'plug baits' and the name stuck.

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Post by davelumb » Tue May 19 2020 20:52

John Milford wrote:
The term 'plug' dates back to the beginning of the last century and referred initially to the basic wooden lure blanks. These looked very similar to barrel plugs - in fact the turned timber dowel was supplied to the factories by the same mills that produced barrel plugs.

The bait makers referred to the resulting lures as 'plug baits' and the name stuck.


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In a fake German voice from behind some vegetation, Veeeerrry interestink. :wink:

I thought you might know. :worthy:

Was that in the USA or UK?

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Post by John Milford » Tue May 19 2020 21:32

davelumb wrote:
John Milford wrote:
The term 'plug' dates back to the beginning of the last century and referred initially to the basic wooden lure blanks. These looked very similar to barrel plugs - in fact the turned timber dowel was supplied to the factories by the same mills that produced barrel plugs.

The bait makers referred to the resulting lures as 'plug baits' and the name stuck.


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In a fake German voice from behind some vegetation, Veeeerrry interestink. :wink:

I thought you might know. :worthy:

Was that in the USA or UK?
USA Dave.

There were some early wooden baits made in the UK, like this 1904 Geen's wooden 'Swimmer' with a static body and rotating tail. We were still categorising such baits as 'Phantoms' at the time - and were even calling imported American plugs 'Devons' initially - but the 'Plug' name quickly caught on over here too.

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Post by davelumb » Tue May 19 2020 21:35

John Milford wrote:
davelumb wrote:
John Milford wrote:
The term 'plug' dates back to the beginning of the last century and referred initially to the basic wooden lure blanks. These looked very similar to barrel plugs - in fact the turned timber dowel was supplied to the factories by the same mills that produced barrel plugs.

The bait makers referred to the resulting lures as 'plug baits' and the name stuck.


Creek Chub Factory box 5.jpg
In a fake German voice from behind some vegetation, Veeeerrry interestink. :wink:

I thought you might know. :worthy:

Was that in the USA or UK?
USA Dave.

There were some early wooden baits made in the UK, like this 1904 Geen's wooden 'Swimmer' with a static body and rotating tail. We were still categorising such baits as 'Phantoms' at the time - and were even calling imported American plugs 'Devons' initially - but the 'Plug' name quickly caught on over here too.


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Good stuff. I get teh feeling that 'plug' has fallen out of favour over the pond as more specific names have come in and it's mre common over here - at least among non-lure-enthusiasts.

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Post by andrew_nagel » Tue May 19 2020 23:19

John Milford wrote:
Picked up this big old wooden Creek Chub on eBay the other day. Almost certainly one originally from Ken Latham's of Potter Heigham.

I thought it was a standard 6" #2300 'Husky' Pikie when I bid on it. Now it's arrived I can really see how fat it is (not to mention the HUGE trebles) so I'm now pretty certain it's actually a #6900 'Striper' Pikie (#6912RE). The '12RE' pattern (Solid White with Red eye shadows) is a very scarce Creek Chub colour. :pipe:


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Maybe not as widely collectible as CCPs, but interesting all the same. The striper community has some excellent pikie-style makers among its ranks. This is a nice chunky one I picked up from a striped bass forum. It fishes very well.
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Post by John Milford » Thu May 21 2020 23:54

andrew_nagel wrote:
John Milford wrote:
Picked up this big old wooden Creek Chub on eBay the other day. Almost certainly one originally from Ken Latham's of Potter Heigham.

I thought it was a standard 6" #2300 'Husky' Pikie when I bid on it. Now it's arrived I can really see how fat it is (not to mention the HUGE trebles) so I'm now pretty certain it's actually a #6900 'Striper' Pikie (#6912RE). The '12RE' pattern (Solid White with Red eye shadows) is a very scarce Creek Chub colour. :pipe:


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Maybe not as widely collectible as CCPs, but interesting all the same. The striper community has some excellent pikie-style makers among its ranks. This is a nice chunky one I picked up from a striped bass forum. It fishes very well.

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Like those Andrew! :thumbs:

Mark Houghton makes a pretty mean version of the Pikie too - and lures based on the Creek Chub 'Surfster'.

Creek Chub discontinued manufacture of the big 'Striper' Pikie (model #6900) in 1978, so it is testament to their lures that others have stepped in to 'plug' ( :coat: ) the gap.
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Post by andrew_nagel » Fri May 22 2020 13:26

Your not wrong John... I've been using Mark's pikies since the 80's and the last one I got from him a couple of years ago 'plugged' ( :coat: - me too) a gap in the original CCP portfolio. It was a 6"er with the deep lip. From another post....

"A very memorable bunch of fish for me came in the mid eighties from a local suburban lake. I hadn't started to travel to fish yet. I was a young teenager still cutting my teeth with lure fishing for pike. There were two lakes, and everyone used to fish the smaller one. It was all match/pleasure fishermen and they all despised pike. I got chinned and thrown in a few times for putting pike back. These weren't big fish, just singles. For a few years I'd been catching jacks and they kept finding their way to safety in the other larger lake just a stone's throw away. I started to fish the bigger lake and for a couple of summers had great fishing by local standards. The fish were now big singles to low doubles and these were big to me. Seeing many of these pike following and taking in the clear water was a huge learning curve. Learning to mix up the retrieve and work the lure. This period was my first experience of consistently catching pike. The fish were long and slim and fought very well on the light rods and balanced tackle we used back then. My lure selection consisted of a couple of original 17cm Rapalas, a couple of Hi-Los, plus the secret weapon that out fished everything else hands down - one of the first creek chub pikie copies that Mark Houghton made. It took the place apart. It was a short period of magical fishing shared with the only two like-minded anglers I knew at the time and still consider as good friends to this day. It turned me into a piker."

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Post by jonsykes » Fri May 22 2020 14:57

This is my latest bargain. £150
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Post by Will Smith » Fri May 22 2020 20:07

I reckon you will do well from that little lot John.
Are you keeping any for your own collection ?

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Post by jonsykes » Fri May 22 2020 21:11

Probably a handful Will.

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Post by John Milford » Fri May 22 2020 22:16

jonsykes wrote:
Probably a handful Will.
Let me guess. The 'Strawberry Spot' Lucky Strike, the Shakespeare Pike Getums, the Heddon Dying Flutters & Meadow Mouse? :grin:
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Post by jonsykes » Fri May 22 2020 22:56

Pretty much spot on there John, though I've a few mice already.
I do love a propbait though, they swung it for me. I was the only bidder at the £150 start price, I'll get to keep all I want & still get more than i paid for the rest. Collect only listings often go cheaply, this is 15 minutes from me & there's a spot of free fishing on his doorstep too.

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