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Outstanding baits Bagarn! :cool: :thumbs:

The bottom two in your Spinax case are just like the D.A.M. Novum Wobblers.

It gets very confusing when makers copy each other's baits! :scratch: :dizzy:
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Here is a pair of other copies of famous American made baits. A Pflueger Live wire copy made by FIG in 1939. Fig started making lures in 1937 and was one of Sweden biggest lure manufacturers in the 40:s. They made some
Lures for abu in the beginning.

The Super spook copy was sold by Leidesdorff who started out in 1861.
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_Bagarn_ wrote: Sun Nov 21 2021 09:20 -
Here is a pair of other copies of famous American made baits. A Pflueger Live wire copy made by FIG in 1939. Fig started making lures in 1937 and was one of Sweden biggest lure manufacturers in the 40:s. They made some
Lures for abu in the beginning.

The Super spook copy was sold by Leidesdorff who started out in 1861.
I think these 'Flata försilfrade Bleckfiskar' in my "Allcocks" collection may be from Leidesdorff? (These were imported by S. Allcocks of Redditch in the late 19th Century).

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Nice bleckfiskar. I can’t say who made them.
I’m the wrong guy when it comes to metal lures. Only collect metal baits made by Dalberg.
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All of these names you mention I have never even heard of, it appears the Swedes were ahead of the game.

Keep the pics of your collection coming Bagarn :thumbs: .

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Gents keep em coming
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Here is some more copies. These are from the late
20:s early 30:s. Copies of Bass oreno and Heddon Basser. The Bass oreno type was copied by many companies here in Sweden.
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_Bagarn_ wrote: Mon Nov 22 2021 18:25 -
Here is some more copies. These are from the late
20:s early 30:s. Copies of Bass oreno and Heddon Basser. The Bass oreno type was copied by many companies here in Sweden.
More great old baits Bagarn! :thumbs:

The Bass Oreno must be the most widely copied bait of all - and still going strong after 105 years! :cool:
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I had to buy an entire collection of old tackle, just to get my hands on this single Victorian lure. Worth every penny! :pipe:

A rubber frog made by Morris Carswell & Co. of 90 Mitchell Street, Glasgow.

These were first distributed by S. Allcock of Redditch in the UK and later by the Wm. Shakespeare Company of Kalamazoo, Michigan in the USA, shortly after it was formed in 1897
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A page from Carswell's illustrated catalogue 1896:

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Is / was the frog a hollow floater, John?
- the masked upturned doubles still standard on today's models.
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peteren wrote: Thu Nov 25 2021 18:05 -
Is / was the frog a hollow floater, John?
- the masked upturned doubles still standard on today's models.
The three on the top row (left) in the illustration are hollow Peter. A few still exist, but I've never seen one for sale. As hollow, crushable frogs, they are almost unbelievably advanced baits when you consider they're 135 years old!

The one I managed to get (top, fourth from left) is a solid rubber bait, so presumably a sinker.

(They all have single trebles).

I was incredibly lucky to spot it. India rubber baits of that great age are absurdly rare finds, as they become very fragile with the passing of the years.

Carswell's frogs are extremely rare in any condition, but finding one with all its limbs and paint intact was amazing!
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Great find John, well done.

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John Milford wrote: Thu Nov 25 2021 20:23 -
peteren wrote: Thu Nov 25 2021 18:05 -
Is / was the frog a hollow floater, John?
- the masked upturned doubles still standard on today's models.
The three on the top row (left) in the illustration are hollow Peter. A few still exist, but I've never seen one for sale. As hollow, crushable frogs, they are almost unbelievably advanced baits when you consider they're 135 years old!

The one I managed to get (top, fourth from left) is a solid rubber bait, so presumably a sinker.

(They all have single trebles).

I was incredibly lucky to spot it. India rubber baits of that great age are absurdly rare finds, as they become very fragile with the passing of the years.

Carswell's frogs are extremely rare in any condition, but finding one with all its limbs and paint intact was amazing!
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I had this carded frogs a short period before I trade it.
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John Milford wrote: Thu Nov 25 2021 13:17 -
I had to buy an entire collection of old tackle, just to get my hands on this single Victorian lure. Worth every penny! :pipe:

A rubber frog made by Morris Carswell & Co. of 90 Mitchell Street, Glasgow.

These were first distributed by S. Allcock of Redditch in the UK and later by the Wm. Shakespeare Company of Kalamazoo, Michigan in the USA, shortly after it was formed in 1897

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A page from Carswell's illustrated catalogue 1896:


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_Bagarn_ wrote: Fri Nov 26 2021 10:16 -
I had this carded frogs a short period before I trade it.
You have (and have had) some wonderful lures Bagarn! :cool:

That old Carswell display card is an absolute gem! While it doesn't bear the name Carswell, it does say "Made in Scotland" (so it can be no-one else).

Significantly, it also adds another tiny piece to the jigsaw by clearly identifying the lures as 'Froggies' which I've personally never seen anywhere before. (That is the kind of detail that is so brilliant when something as historically rare and significant as a carded set survives against all the odds!).

Thank you very much for sharing it! :thumbs: (I hope you got a fantastic trade for it. :wink: )
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I think yes were sold by Leidesdorff as early as 1870. But I bought them from a collector in GB.
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_Bagarn_ wrote: Fri Nov 26 2021 11:59 -
I think yes were sold by Leidesdorff as early as 1870. But I bought them from a collector in GB.
Fascinating. This nineteenth century mutual trading within Europe and extending to America is one of the lesser understood aspects of the early commercial tackle trade.

I've always thought that Allcocks were particularly pivotal in it, due to their known commercial relationship with Leidesdorff, Enterprise Manufacturing Co. (Pflueger) and others.

I'm constantly surprised at the marked similarities with today, but perhaps I shouldn't be. It all places those seemingly 'old' times very much in the modern era in so many respects.
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Pure love! Older grey intro box to the 3030 (Oreno). The zyklop (vamp style) in box is a rare sight.
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I have a great story about the golden Pikie. It was found in a wall in Norway. I asked the seller if he could check with older relatives maybe they had an answer.

It took a couple of month before he replied.
During WW2 Norway was occupied by Germany between 1940-1945. When Germany left in a hurry they burned down many cities and villages with the scorched earth tactic.

After the war all wood was more or less earmarked for rebuilding the Northern Norway. But you were allowed to use wood from German building. So many Norwegian reused German buildings. Like in this case when the founders grandfather took down a German radio station with almost intact walls to rebuild a new home.
75 year later a dam pikie is found in the walls during some
renovation.

I almost love the story more than the lure. Every time I look at it i think about what the destiny was for the Soldier who put it there. Many of the soldiers in the beginning of the occupation was later directed to participate in Operation Barbossa that was the name of the german offensive in Russia. Many german soldiers was killed there or was missing in action. Maybe this soldier was in Norway to the end of the war. Who knows.

I hope you understand my bad English!
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The Pigott was named Kingfisher by the Germans. In Sweden it was often sold as ormspinnaren (snake spinner)
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Pure love! Older grey intro box to the 3030 (Oreno). The zyklop (vamp style) in box is a rare sight.
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_Bagarn_ wrote: Fri Nov 26 2021 18:28 -
The Pigott was named Kingfisher by the Germans. In Sweden it was often sold as ormspinnaren (snake spinner)
An Irish bait sold in Germany and Sweden! The co-operation between manufacturers must have been even more sophisticated and widespread than I ever imagined. All extremely interesting Bagarn. :cool: :thumbs:

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I don’t think it’s so much co-operation as just copy something that works and sells well. Many Swedish manufacturers copied lures but I think that is went under the radar due to selling it locally and nationally.

But yes many had some co-op like Dam-CCBCO and Dam -CCBCO.
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Early 1930:s Florida Shiners. They had glass eyes only the first year. After that they had porcelain eyes a couple of years before painted eyes.

Made by Florida Fishing Tackle company.
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I love these Metallized minnows by Pflueger. The other one is a Pflueger Catalina. Wooden bodies with metal over.
I’m unsure how they made it. But it was probably to expensive..
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_Bagarn_ wrote: Sat Nov 27 2021 13:52 -
I love these Metallized minnows by Pflueger. The other one is a Pflueger Catalina. Wooden bodies with metal over.
I’m unsure how they made it. But it was probably to expensive..
More fantastic baits Bagarn! :thumbs: Your collection is incredible. :cool:

I've always assumed Pflueger must have developed an ingenious process for electroplating wood, prepared with a conductive paint of some kind? :shrug: They were certainly the first to patent luminous paint finishes on lures.

The 'Mermaid Wooden Devon Minnow' shown on this 1915 Allcocks catalogue page is almost certainly a Pflueger Neverfail. (I note the Carswell 'Froggie' is still listed too, but the position of the treble had moved further back by then).

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Cane River Bait Company. 1959-1960

In 1959 the two friend and musicians became business partners when they founded the Cane river Baits company in Natchitoches, Louisana. Horton was the designer of the lure and needed financial help in (Johnny) Cash who became an investor in the company. Production began in late may 1959 and was the Ole fire ball, a small spinner made of plastic.

In August the production expanded to three different lures. The floating version of the Ole fireball with two small willow spinners on the belly and the Galloping A that was made by cast iron.

The lure production was short lived and nobody knows how many baits that was made. The year after tragedy struck when Johnny Horton was heading home from a concert, when a drunk driver struck his car. He pronounced dead at a local hospital. The company and production ended with Hortons death.

Another weird fact.
Johnny Horton’s wife was the widow of Hank Williams who also died in a Cadillac.
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Picture 1) Johnny and Johnny inside cane River
Bait company.

Picture 2) Galloping A, was made in 4 colors.

Picture 3) Two Ole fireball and one floating Ole fireball.
The sinking version was made in 15 Colors and the floating version was made in 12 colors.
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_Bagarn_ wrote: Sat Nov 27 2021 20:41 -
Picture 1) Johnny and Johnny inside cane River
Bait company.

Picture 2) Galloping A, was made in 4 colors.

Picture 3) Two Ole fireball and one floating Ole fireball.
The sinking version was made in 15 Colors and the floating version was made in 12 colors.
Goodness gracious, great balls of fire! 🔥 :thumbs:
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