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Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Posted: Wed Dec 26 2018 18:15
by davelumb
John Milford wrote:
:laughs: Christmas Tree! 🌲
:roll:

Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Posted: Thu Jan 03 2019 00:13
by John Milford
Picked up this nice little boxed pair of 'Miracle Minnows' (one floater and one sinker) in a swap on the LAS Forum just before Christmas. Early 1950's and unfished (and they'll be staying that way :pipe: ).

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Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Posted: Thu Jan 03 2019 10:47
by martin godliman
Do you think John there is/are 'out there' a lure manufacturer you've never heard of so that when you find one it's extra fascinating or more a question if hunting down rare things you already know exist ?

Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Posted: Thu Jan 03 2019 13:35
by John Milford
martin godliman wrote:
Do you think John there is/are 'out there' a lure manufacturer you've never heard of so that when you find one it's extra fascinating or more a question if hunting down rare things you already know exist ?
Happy New Year Martin! Yes, I'm quite certain there are literally hundreds of manufacturers I've never come across, both antique and vintage, never mind modern! Some of those will have produced unremarkable baits which might not interest me if I come across them, but there is always the chance of discovering an obscure little gem.

Hunting down (or more accurately, patiently waiting to stumble upon) specific lures is also part of the collecting obsession.

Then there are 'artisan' baits. Lures made by skilled craftsmen for their own use and perhaps a few close friends.

Take these, beautifully crafted lures made from German silver, copper and brass. They were made by an eccentric ex Indian army officer named Marshall William Judd, who spent his later civilian life living reclusively in a caravan in Norfolk. I bought them from his grandson who inherited them. Among them were some really good T. P. Luscombe baits and a few very nice post WW1 Allcocks. It was his own baits though, based on similar period Hardy designs, that I appreciate most. Their quality is outstanding.

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Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Posted: Thu Jan 03 2019 13:41
by Happy Hayes
Your right there John
They are Gems
And what a lovely story to go with them
Regards
Tom

Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Posted: Thu Jan 03 2019 13:43
by davelumb
Just think, Martin. Some day in the disant future your hand crafted marvels might be popping up on a thread like this. :joker:

Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Posted: Thu Jan 03 2019 14:53
by martin godliman
davelumb wrote:
Just think, Martin. Some day in the disant future your hand crafted marvels might be popping up on a thread like this. :joker:
Not so distant as you might imagine ....it can be arranged, would like to see some ? :smile:

Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Posted: Thu Jan 03 2019 15:00
by martin godliman
John Milford wrote:
martin godliman wrote:
Do you think John there is/are 'out there' a lure manufacturer you've never heard of so that when you find one it's extra fascinating or more a question if hunting down rare things you already know exist ?
Happy New Year Martin! Yes, I'm quite certain there are literally hundreds of manufacturers I've never come across, both antique and vintage, never mind modern! Some of those will have produced unremarkable baits which might not interest me if I come across them, but there is always the chance of discovering an obscure little gem.

Hunting down (or more accurately, patiently waiting to stumble upon) specific lures is also part of the collecting obsession.

Then there are 'artisan' baits. Lures made by skilled craftsmen for their own use and perhaps a few close friends.

Take these, beautifully crafted lures made from German silver, copper and brass. They were made by an eccentric ex Indian army officer named Marshall William Judd, who spent his later civilian life living reclusively in a caravan in Norfolk. I bought them from his grandson who inherited them. Among them were some really good T. P. Luscombe baits and a few very nice post WW1 Allcocks. It was his own baits though, based on similar period Hardy designs, that I appreciate most. Their quality is outstanding.

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I know a similar story a friend (who is sadly now dead) showed me some mahseer lures he had that had belonged to an army officer who had served in India way back. From memory they were mostly spoons with scales 'cut in' and I'm pretty sure were German silver, must surely be the same maker.

Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Posted: Thu Jan 03 2019 15:55
by davelumb
martin godliman wrote:
davelumb wrote:
Just think, Martin. Some day in the disant future your hand crafted marvels might be popping up on a thread like this. :joker:
Not so distant as you might imagine ....it can be arranged, would like to see some ? :smile:
:exit:

Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Posted: Thu Jan 03 2019 16:04
by martin godliman
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davelumb wrote:
martin godliman wrote:
davelumb wrote:
Just think, Martin. Some day in the disant future your hand crafted marvels might be popping up on a thread like this. :joker:
Not so distant as you might imagine ....it can be arranged, would like to see some ? :smile:
:exit:
Not so bad looking, my truly ugly lures are the "rubber" chimeras :clown:

Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Posted: Thu Jan 03 2019 16:07
by davelumb
martin godliman wrote:
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davelumb wrote:
martin godliman wrote:
davelumb wrote:
Just think, Martin. Some day in the disant future your hand crafted marvels might be popping up on a thread like this. :joker:
Not so distant as you might imagine ....it can be arranged, would like to see some ? :smile:
:exit:
Not so bad looking, my truly ugly lures are the "rubber" chimeras :clown:
That's an improvement. Did one of your grandkids paint it for you?

Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Posted: Thu Jan 03 2019 16:14
by John Milford
martin godliman wrote:
I know a similar story a friend (who is sadly now dead) showed me some mahseer lures he had that had belonged to an army officer who had served in India way back. From memory they were mostly spoons with scales 'cut in' and I'm pretty sure were German silver, must surely be the same maker.
Unlikely Martin. Scaled spoons are a very common Mahseer lure (usually in brass) and there were thousands of sporting officers in the old Raj. It would be a very remarkable coincidence if they were made by Marshall William Judd. Also his own mahseer spoons, from his army days, were Luscombe's.

His handmade lures (and hundreds of floats, I was told) were from the 1920's. I've noticed he used Hardy 'Alma' swivels to connect the heads and bodies and some Hardy hooks too. That could be why I've seen isolated examples of his handiwork on sale by dealers speculating "possible Hardy prototypes" (what dealers don't know they sometimes make up :wink: )

Apparently old Judd had a big collection of rods and reels too, plus a huge hoard of exotic feathers (which may have been for fly tying).

Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Posted: Thu Jan 03 2019 16:16
by Mark_Houghton
John Milford wrote:
Picked up this nice little boxed pair of 'Miracle Minnows' (one floater and one sinker) in a swap on the LAS Forum just before Christmas. Early 1950's and unfished (and they'll be staying that way :pipe: ).

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Lovely those John :thumbs: :thumbs:

Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Posted: Thu Jan 03 2019 16:38
by martin godliman
John Milford wrote:
martin godliman wrote:
I know a similar story a friend (who is sadly now dead) showed me some mahseer lures he had that had belonged to an army officer who had served in India way back. From memory they were mostly spoons with scales 'cut in' and I'm pretty sure were German silver, must surely be the same maker.
Unlikely Martin. Scaled spoons are a very common Mahseer lure (usually in brass) and there were thousands of sporting officers in the old Raj. It would be a very remarkable coincidence if they were made by Marshall William Judd. Also his own mahseer spoons, from his army days, were Luscombe's.

His handmade lures (and hundreds of floats, I was told) were from the 1920's. I've noticed he used Hardy 'Alma' swivels to connect the heads and bodies and some Hardy hooks too. That could be why I've seen isolated examples of his handiwork on sale by dealers speculating "possible Hardy prototypes" (what dealers don't know they sometimes make up :wink: )

Apparently old Judd had a big collection of rods and reels too, plus a huge hoard of exotic feathers (which may have been for fly tying).
Okay John the only other distinctive thing about them I recall is the the hooks were obviously original very thick wired not bronze and incorporated sort of whipped in, in some way, I don't suppose any of them were over three maybe four inches long.

Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Posted: Thu Jan 03 2019 16:50
by martin godliman
davelumb wrote:
martin godliman wrote:
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davelumb wrote:
martin godliman wrote:
davelumb wrote:
Just think, Martin. Some day in the disant future your hand crafted marvels might be popping up on a thread like this. :joker:
Not so distant as you might imagine ....it can be arranged, would like to see some ? :smile:
:exit:
Not so bad looking, my truly ugly lures are the "rubber" chimeras :clown:
That's an improvement. Did one of your grandkids paint it for you?
Cheek.... the hand painted art work is what makes it unique....none of yer boring uniform spray jobs for me. :smile:

I saw a lure on ebay once that was definitely one I made a kind of Salty Boogie lookalike in red head I made a few for Nile perch fishing for casting from the bank you could cast them miles and they sank fast and with lots of extra rattles. I made one for Darren.....an inveterate ebay trader. :cool:

Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Posted: Thu Jan 03 2019 18:52
by John Milford
Is this one of yours Martin? :clown: (No takers yet, surprisingly).

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre ... 3463683200

Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Posted: Thu Jan 03 2019 20:41
by martin godliman
John Milford wrote:
Is this one of yours Martin? :clown: (No takers yet, surprisingly).

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre ... 3463683200
Fake...fake :eek:

Sort of like naive art....but without the art :laughs:

Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Posted: Fri Jan 04 2019 02:59
by John Milford
martin godliman wrote:
John Milford wrote:
Is this one of yours Martin? :clown: (No takers yet, surprisingly).

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre ... 3463683200
Fake...fake :eek:

Sort of like naive art....but without the art :laughs:
Phew! Thanks for the 'heads up' Martin. I was just about to unwittingly put in a huge bid for a fake 'Godliman'!

(Although I suppose there was always the chance that Lumby might have outbid me :shrug: ). :joker:

Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Posted: Fri Jan 04 2019 08:58
by davelumb
John Milford wrote:
martin godliman wrote:
John Milford wrote:
Is this one of yours Martin? :clown: (No takers yet, surprisingly).

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre ... 3463683200
Fake...fake :eek:

Sort of like naive art....but without the art :laughs:
Phew! Thanks for the 'heads up' Martin. I was just about to unwittingly put in a huge bid for a fake 'Godliman'!

(Although I suppose there was always the chance that Lumby might have outbid me :shrug: ). :joker:
Only if you bid more than 1p. :grin:

Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Posted: Fri Jan 04 2019 11:16
by Monts
Martin,

Pay them no mind, Van Gogh's work was not recognised for its greatness until after his death. When we are long gone your home mades will be much sought after I'm sure. :thumbs:

Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Posted: Fri Jan 04 2019 19:52
by martin godliman
Monts wrote:
Martin,

Pay them no mind, Van Gogh's work was not recognised for its greatness until after his death. When we are long gone your home mades will be much sought after I'm sure. :thumbs:
Faaaar far in the future fingers crossed :eek:

Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Posted: Fri Jan 04 2019 19:58
by John Milford
I particularly like this big 'homemade' Colorado spoon. The maker is unknown - perhaps a schoolboy during metalwork, a metal worker on his break or a keen piker in his shed? Whoever it was, they did a good job and their sense of humour (and optimism) adds a lot to the appeal of this bait for me.

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Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Posted: Fri Jan 04 2019 20:09
by davelumb
How big is that Colorado?

Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Posted: Fri Jan 04 2019 21:33
by John Milford
davelumb wrote:
How big is that Colorado?
The body is 3" x 2" and it's 7" overall. Much bigger than a "standard" Colorado which is usually 2".

Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Posted: Fri Jan 04 2019 21:46
by davelumb
John Milford wrote:
davelumb wrote:
How big is that Colorado?
The body is 3" x 2" and it's 7" overall. Much bigger than a "standard" Colorado which is usually 2".
That is a bit bigger. :thumbs:

Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Posted: Mon Jan 14 2019 15:37
by davelumb
Scroll down to the last two cartoons. John... :joker:

http://www.realsreels.com/Cartoons/Cartoons.html

Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Posted: Mon Jan 14 2019 15:41
by Mark_Houghton
davelumb wrote:
Scroll down to the last two cartoons. John... :joker:

http://www.realsreels.com/Cartoons/Cartoons.html
3rd from bottom is the stuff of my nightmares :laughs: :laughs: :laughs: :laughs:

Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Posted: Mon Jan 14 2019 16:09
by davelumb
Mark_Houghton wrote:
davelumb wrote:
Scroll down to the last two cartoons. John... :joker:

http://www.realsreels.com/Cartoons/Cartoons.html
3rd from bottom is the stuff of my nightmares :laughs: :laughs: :laughs: :laughs:
:giggle:

Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Posted: Mon Jan 14 2019 20:05
by John Milford
Like those! (Saw the 'black suckers' one in a NFLCC mag.).

I wish a few of the lures I received in the mail were as well packaged as the ones I send out. Mostly one-way traffic though :laughs:

I've been up to my ears renovating our perfectly good (but not in the wife's opinion :roll: ) kitchen for the last few weeks, but will have a few new (old) goodies to share shortly . . . .

My bloody kitchen has 36 cupboard doors/drawers - each of which has had two coats of paint - not to mention the walls, ceiling and woodwork :mad:

I wonder if Gill will ever notice that some of my old floats are now the same nice shade of grey as the kitchen cabinets? :wink: Fishing this week I think!! :yahoo:

Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Posted: Mon Jan 14 2019 20:12
by davelumb
Grey's a good colour for floats IMO. :cool:

Looking forward to your next revelations.