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Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Post by Mark_Houghton » Wed Jan 16 2019 21:18

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Maybe it's someone's version of a crappy crappie pattern? :clown:
:laughs: :laughs: :laughs: :laughs: It should look much better soon :thumbs:
Are you sending it to Martin for a re-paint? :clown:
Poor Martin :laughs: I`ll be able to manage that bit myself i reckon :grin:

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Post by John Milford » Wed Jan 16 2019 21:22

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Maybe it's someone's version of a crappy crappie pattern? :clown:
:laughs: :laughs: :laughs: :laughs: It should look much better soon :thumbs:
Are you sending it to Martin for a re-paint? :clown:
Poor Martin :laughs: I`ll be able to manage that bit myself i reckon :grin:
Can't wait to see the result :pipe:
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Post by Mark_Houghton » Wed Jan 16 2019 21:26

John Milford wrote:
Mark_Houghton wrote:
John Milford wrote:
Mark_Houghton wrote:
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Maybe it's someone's version of a crappy crappie pattern? :clown:
:laughs: :laughs: :laughs: :laughs: It should look much better soon :thumbs:
Are you sending it to Martin for a re-paint? :clown:
Poor Martin :laughs: I`ll be able to manage that bit myself i reckon :grin:
Can't wait to see the result :pipe:
No idea what to do with it yet, i`ve got a few days to decide though...being an impatient git i`ll have it sprayed within an hour of it turning up :laughs: :laughs: :laughs:

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Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Post by John Milford » Wed Jan 16 2019 22:20

Have you ever come across one of these Mark? Creek Chub ''Viper'. Another hump-backed minnow, in a similar niche to the Tiger and Maverick.

I think there was just one size, the 3" #8800,. No idea how difficult it might be to replicate in wood,, but I reckon it's just crying out for a big brother! :pipe:

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Post by Mark_Houghton » Wed Jan 16 2019 22:33

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Have you ever come across one of these Mark? Creek Chub ''Viper'. Another hump-backed minnow, in a similar niche to the Tiger and Maverick.

I think there was just one size, the 3" #8800,. No idea how difficult it might be to replicate in wood,, but I reckon it's just crying out for a big brother! :pipe:

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Seen them in print in old catalogues, John, and in pics, but not in the flesh. Looks easy enough :thumbs:

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Have you ever come across one of these Mark? Creek Chub ''Viper'. Another hump-backed minnow, in a similar niche to the Tiger and Maverick.

I think there was just one size, the 3" #8800,. No idea how difficult it might be to replicate in wood,, but I reckon it's just crying out for a big brother! :pipe:

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Seen them in print in old catalogues, John, and in pics, but not in the flesh. Looks easy enough :thumbs:
I had one in 'Pike Scale' years ago Mark, but at only 3" it just darted about, rather than having that proper 'swing' you can get with a bulkier minnow. No idea where it went, but long gone now.
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Post by Mark_Houghton » Wed Jan 16 2019 23:07

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Have you ever come across one of these Mark? Creek Chub ''Viper'. Another hump-backed minnow, in a similar niche to the Tiger and Maverick.

I think there was just one size, the 3" #8800,. No idea how difficult it might be to replicate in wood,, but I reckon it's just crying out for a big brother! :pipe:

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Seen them in print in old catalogues, John, and in pics, but not in the flesh. Looks easy enough :thumbs:
I had one in 'Pike Scale' years ago Mark, but at only 3" it just darted about, rather than having that proper 'swing' you can get with a bulkier minnow. No idea where it went, but long gone now.
I think the Heddon Tiger is probably a better bait in that sort of profile. Going to look at moulding something similar to the Big Tiger soon, after the success of that Hellcat today. Noticed tonight someone had listed a pile of Big Tigers on Ebay, a mere snip at 80-odd quid each :grin:

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Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Post by John Milford » Fri Jan 18 2019 20:10

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I think the Heddon Tiger is probably a better bait in that sort of profile. Going to look at moulding something similar to the Big Tiger soon, after the success of that Hellcat today. Noticed tonight someone had listed a pile of Big Tigers on Ebay, a mere snip at 80-odd quid each :grin:
That's why I've sold all of mine Mark :thumbs: . It's not that I didn't appreciate them, just that I knew other collectors appreciate them more (plus the lovely loot! :grin: ).

I agree Tigers slightly edge it :thumbs: The Tiger has a better wobble than the Maverick, although both dart and flash very pleasingly with only a little rod-tip action, which I think is when they are at their best for pike.

I've got another Tiger on the way from the US presently. I'm hoping it's the 4 1/4" (1030), but it might be the 3 1/4" (1020). It's very difficult to tell from photos.

(What's also busting my head at the moment is that I know I've got a green/silver foil one somewhere - but I can't find it). Too many lures (impossible :laughs: ) in too many boxes . . . .
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Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Post by Mark_Houghton » Fri Jan 18 2019 20:16

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I think the Heddon Tiger is probably a better bait in that sort of profile. Going to look at moulding something similar to the Big Tiger soon, after the success of that Hellcat today. Noticed tonight someone had listed a pile of Big Tigers on Ebay, a mere snip at 80-odd quid each :grin:
That's why I've sold all of mine Mark :thumbs: . It's not that I didn't appreciate them, just that I knew other collectors appreciate them more (plus the lovely loot! :grin: ).

I agree Tigers slightly edge it :thumbs: The Tiger has a better wobble than the Maverick, although both dart and flash very pleasingly with only a little rod-tip action, which I think is when they are at their best for pike.

I've got another Tiger on the way from the US presently. I'm hoping it's the 4 1/4" (1030), but it might be the 3 1/4" (1020). It's very difficult to tell from photos.
Yes, the majority of minnow profile baits nearly always produce best when twitched :thumbs: Funnily enough, the hellcat is one minnow that always did very well for us on a straight retrieve, especially worked across the surface in a good ripple...back when we were fishing those, twitching minnows was pretty much unknown to uk lure anglers.

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Post by John Milford » Fri Jan 18 2019 20:23

Mark_Houghton wrote:
John Milford wrote:
Mark_Houghton wrote:
I think the Heddon Tiger is probably a better bait in that sort of profile. Going to look at moulding something similar to the Big Tiger soon, after the success of that Hellcat today. Noticed tonight someone had listed a pile of Big Tigers on Ebay, a mere snip at 80-odd quid each :grin:
That's why I've sold all of mine Mark :thumbs: . It's not that I didn't appreciate them, just that I knew other collectors appreciate them more (plus the lovely loot! :grin: ).

I agree Tigers slightly edge it :thumbs: The Tiger has a better wobble than the Maverick, although both dart and flash very pleasingly with only a little rod-tip action, which I think is when they are at their best for pike.

I've got another Tiger on the way from the US presently. I'm hoping it's the 4 1/4" (1030), but it might be the 3 1/4" (1020). It's very difficult to tell from photos.
Yes, the majority of minnow profile baits nearly always produce best when twitched :thumbs: Funnily enough, the hellcat is one minnow that always did very well for us on a straight retrieve, especially worked across the surface in a good ripple...back when we were fishing those, twitching minnows was pretty much unknown to uk lure anglers.
That's why I believe the 'jerkbait revolution' was a real eye-opener. Even dull crankbaits suddenly became full of new possibilities, once people fully grasped the notion of 'working' lures more aggressively.
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Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Post by Mark_Houghton » Fri Jan 18 2019 20:25

John Milford wrote:
Mark_Houghton wrote:
John Milford wrote:
Mark_Houghton wrote:
I think the Heddon Tiger is probably a better bait in that sort of profile. Going to look at moulding something similar to the Big Tiger soon, after the success of that Hellcat today. Noticed tonight someone had listed a pile of Big Tigers on Ebay, a mere snip at 80-odd quid each :grin:
That's why I've sold all of mine Mark :thumbs: . It's not that I didn't appreciate them, just that I knew other collectors appreciate them more (plus the lovely loot! :grin: ).

I agree Tigers slightly edge it :thumbs: The Tiger has a better wobble than the Maverick, although both dart and flash very pleasingly with only a little rod-tip action, which I think is when they are at their best for pike.

I've got another Tiger on the way from the US presently. I'm hoping it's the 4 1/4" (1030), but it might be the 3 1/4" (1020). It's very difficult to tell from photos.
Yes, the majority of minnow profile baits nearly always produce best when twitched :thumbs: Funnily enough, the hellcat is one minnow that always did very well for us on a straight retrieve, especially worked across the surface in a good ripple...back when we were fishing those, twitching minnows was pretty much unknown to uk lure anglers.
That's why I believe the 'jerkbait revolution' was a real eye-opener. Even dull crankbaits suddenly became full of new possibilities, once people fully grasped the notion of 'working' lures more aggressively.
I think, apart from those who were reading the US mags, it was when Friendly Fisherman started selling that In-fisherman Northern Pike video that most cottoned onto twitching :shrug:

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Post by davelumb » Fri Jan 18 2019 21:35

It was In-Fisherman and Bob Mehsikomer vids that opened a lot of eyes. (Thanks to Howard Lerner) The Mehsikomer stuff especially.

Topwater Monsters got played and played!

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Post by Mark_Houghton » Fri Jan 18 2019 21:37

davelumb wrote:
It was In-Fisherman and Bob Mehsikomer vids that opened a lot of eyes. (Thanks to Howard Lerner) The Mehsikomer stuff especially.

Topwater Monsters got played and played!
Your book was the first time I saw it in print in the UK Dave, so i`d say you had a hand in it too :thumbs:

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Post by davelumb » Fri Jan 18 2019 21:43

I nicked all my ideas from the vids... :laughs:

Just flipped through Topwater Monsters and I can still remember the dialogue and action like it was yesterday! :grin:

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Post by Mark_Houghton » Fri Jan 18 2019 21:47

davelumb wrote:
I nicked all my ideas from the vids... :laughs:

Just flipped through Topwater Monsters and I can still remember the dialogue and action like it was yesterday! :grin:
You shared them, thats what counts mate :thumbs:

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Post by John Milford » Fri Jan 18 2019 21:50

These are a couple of the 'Big Tigers' I sold. (NB: These are very much rarer baits than standard Tigers, as they were only made for three years from 1968 - and are also in very scarce colours). The top one went for £157 (pattern 'KCH') and the one below it £117 (pattern 'HN' 'Striped Bass').

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Post by davelumb » Fri Jan 18 2019 21:51

How big are the Big Tigers, John?

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Post by John Milford » Fri Jan 18 2019 22:49

daveluThemb wrote:
How big are the Big Tigers, John?
The #1040 'Big Tiger' was 5 1/4", 1 oz Dave. Big for US black bass fishermen, compared to the #1030 at 4 1/4", 1/2 oz., But not really big in wider lure terms.

There were two yet smaller sizes too.
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Post by davelumb » Sat Jan 19 2019 08:32

Ta, John.

Would have been big to us too in the 1980s!

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Post by Monts » Sat Jan 19 2019 15:23

Nice video that Dave, I do enjoy watching the old stuff. :thumbs:

And as for large lures, not vintage but eight minutes in is worth a watch. Shut your ears and forget some of the chatter, I'd love some of this.

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Post by John Milford » Sat Jan 19 2019 21:58

Collectors can be pirates! I was watching a listing that went up on eBay just a couple of hours ago.

Basically a box of mainly tat, but with a couple of absolute gems lurking in it. I'm talking incredibly rare Victorian lures, the like of which crop up once in a blue moon!

Five different bidders bumped the price up to close on £100 within an hour - thereby alerting the world that there was something special in the lot.

Now it's been taken down (as I half expected it would). Somebody has probably waved £500 at the seller, who was probably just a house clearer, who couldn't believe their "luck". :roll:

If they'd just let it run, I suspect they might have got five and possibly ten times that amount.

It's a 'dog eat dog' world I suppose, but frankly I couldn't be that mercenary. :sad:

(That is not to say I wouldn't have been jumping for joy if they'd gone unnoticed, but at least that would have been 'fair game' on an even auction playing field :pirate: ).

I suppose it at least confims the hope that collectors live by: "It's still out there" :pipe:
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Post by John Milford » Sun Jan 20 2019 02:00

Well, I've just cheered myself up by winning a Heddon Vamp Spook in 'KCH' and three other nice baits tonight! :grin:
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John Milford wrote:
Collectors can be pirates! I was watching a listing that went up on eBay just a couple of hours ago.

Basically a box of mainly tat, but with a couple of absolute gems lurking in it. I'm talking incredibly rare Victorian lures, the like of which crop up once in a blue moon!

Five different bidders bumped the price up to close on £100 within an hour - thereby alerting the world that there was something special in the lot.

Now it's been taken down (as I half expected it would). Somebody has probably waved £500 at the seller, who was probably just a house clearer, who couldn't believe their "luck". :roll:

If they'd just let it run, I suspect they might have got five and possibly ten times that amount.

It's a 'dog eat dog' world I suppose, but frankly I couldn't be that mercenary. :sad:

(That is not to say I wouldn't have been jumping for joy if they'd gone unnoticed, but at least that would have been 'fair game' on an even auction playing field :pirate: ).

I suppose it at least confims the hope that collectors live by: "It's still out there" :pipe:
Five or ten times the £500? For some old tat? :afraid: :laughs:

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Post by John Milford » Sun Jan 20 2019 09:57

davelumb wrote:
John Milford wrote:
Collectors can be pirates! I was watching a listing that went up on eBay just a couple of hours ago.

Basically a box of mainly tat, but with a couple of absolute gems lurking in it. I'm talking incredibly rare Victorian lures, the like of which crop up once in a blue moon!

Five different bidders bumped the price up to close on £100 within an hour - thereby alerting the world that there was something special in the lot.

Now it's been taken down (as I half expected it would). Somebody has probably waved £500 at the seller, who was probably just a house clearer, who couldn't believe their "luck". :roll:

If they'd just let it run, I suspect they might have got five and possibly ten times that amount.

It's a 'dog eat dog' world I suppose, but frankly I couldn't be that mercenary. :sad:

(That is not to say I wouldn't have been jumping for joy if they'd gone unnoticed, but at least that would have been 'fair game' on an even auction playing field :pirate: ).

I suppose it at least confims the hope that collectors live by: "It's still out there" :pipe:
Five or ten times the £500? For some old tat? :afraid: :laughs:
One was a Gregory and the other was a 'glass bait'. I've only seen two glass baits on auction and both went for an absolute bomb!
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Post by Mike J » Sun Jan 20 2019 10:09

John,
Do you see your collecting as something you will eventually use to top-up your pension?

It seems more and more that if your able to buy the 'right' items at a decent price they can prove to be a very sound investment.

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Post by John Milford » Sun Jan 20 2019 18:03

Mike J wrote:
John,
Do you see your collecting as something you will eventually use to top-up your pension?

It seems more and more that if your able to buy the 'right' items at a decent price they can prove to be a very sound investment.
I regard the lures I buy as an investment of sorts Mike. The problem is the 'decent price' bit! Antique lures occupy a very small but well-informed market - and is the domain of, what I assume, are some rather well-off collectors. I've had my 'lucky finds' and made a few major purchases when I've been flush, but I am not in the same league as some of the top-end collectors.

Fortunately I appreciate many of the relatively run-of-the-mill lures and find them interesting as much for what they are as what they're worth.
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Post by John Milford » Tue Jan 22 2019 11:57

TIGER, tiger, burning bright
In the forests of the night,
What immortal hand or eye
Could frame thy fearful symmetry?

(Introduced by Heddon in 1967)

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Post by Mark_Houghton » Tue Jan 22 2019 12:05

John Milford wrote:
TIGER, tiger, burning bright
In the forests of the night,
What immortal hand or eye
Could frame thy fearful symmetry?

(Introduced by Heddon in 1967)

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Love the internal foil in those Tigers, I just wish they were easier to find at a decent price :thumbs:

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Post by John Milford » Tue Jan 22 2019 12:24

Mark_Houghton wrote:
Love the internal foil in those Tigers, I just wish they were easier to find at a decent price :thumbs:
The clear, stand-out eyes are a nice touch too - the way they were carefully masked off makes them look almost like the old glass eyes.
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Post by Mark_Houghton » Tue Jan 22 2019 12:39

John Milford wrote:
Mark_Houghton wrote:
Love the internal foil in those Tigers, I just wish they were easier to find at a decent price :thumbs:
The clear, stand-out eyes are a nice touch too - the way they were carefully masked off makes them look almost like the old glass eyes.
They look like separate eyes...didnt realise they were part of the moulding :afraid:

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