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Post by Mark_Houghton » Sat Apr 21 2018 17:42

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This particular thread was discussed today, I think Will Smith may need a bank loan if you lot keep on. :grin:
Will needs no encouragement from us, he`s a lure magpie :laughs: :laughs: :laughs:

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Post by davelumb » Sat Apr 21 2018 17:45

How old does a lure have to be in order to qualify as 'vintage'?

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Post by Mark_Houghton » Sat Apr 21 2018 17:48

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How old does a lure have to be in order to qualify as 'vintage'?
60s/70s and earlier for me, more recent lures are just classed as old or discontinued :grin:

....but if you look at some ebay listings, something made last week can be classed as vintage :laughs: :laughs: :laughs: :laughs:

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Post by John Milford » Sat Apr 21 2018 19:16

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How old does a lure have to be in order to qualify as 'vintage'?
The trade is fairly specific about definitions. 'Vintage' has to be at least 20 years old. 'Antique' must be at least 100 years old.

'Classic' and 'retro' are vaguer. They could be old, but also brand new, but in an old style.
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Post by davelumb » Sat Apr 21 2018 19:23

Thanks. By the official definition that means some rods I've built are vintage now. :laughs:

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Post by John Milford » Sun Apr 22 2018 02:51

I'll look forward to using one of your antique ones then . . . . :madmick:
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Post by davelumb » Sun Apr 22 2018 08:32

John Milford wrote:
I'll look forward to using one of your antique ones then . . . . :madmick:
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Post by Mark_Houghton » Sun Apr 22 2018 12:04

davelumb wrote:
Thanks. By the official definition that means some rods I've built are vintage now. :laughs:
I guess some of my lures would be vintage too, as i started making them around the time you started the rods Dave :scratch:

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Post by davelumb » Sun Apr 22 2018 12:07

I started building rods (for money!) In 1991.

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Post by Mark_Houghton » Sun Apr 22 2018 12:08

davelumb wrote:
I started building rods (for money!) In 1991.
Yep i started selling a few lures around the same time :thumbs:

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Post by John Milford » Tue Apr 24 2018 21:26

You might have spotted a whole bunch of Heddon 'River Runt Spook' boxes in one of my earlier pictures - and the age of some of these may come as a surprise.

The plastic 'Spook' version of the River Runt was first introduced while Bonnie and Clyde were still terrorising the American Mid-West from their Missouri hide-out in 1933. The earliest models can be identified by their two-part 'flap' surface hardware (replaced by the more familiar one-piece surface hardware in 1943). Another clue to age is the eye colour. Heddons with gold-painted peepers are 50+ years old, so worth 'keeping an eye out' for :coat:

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Earliest hardware type:
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A trio of minty, boxed beauties :wink:
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Model '9330' Jointed sinkers:
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Post by John Milford » Wed Apr 25 2018 18:03

They're still out there :grin:

This glass-eyed South Bend 'Bass-Oreno' in 'Green Scale' is at least 82, possibly 92 years old. Just a couple of tiny 'pointers' in the superb paint finish and came with a few other nice old plugs this week for less than £20!

(Gotta "keep 'em peeled", as Shaw Taylor used to say :pipe: ).

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Post by Mark_Houghton » Thu Apr 26 2018 09:49

Got quite a few Runts, but nowhere near as old as those ones John. Really like the silver scale pattern :thumbs: Apparently they were a very good Salmon lure back in the day....

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Post by John Milford » Thu Apr 26 2018 10:47

Mark_Houghton wrote:
Got quite a few Runts, but nowhere near as old as those ones John. Really like the silver scale pattern :thumbs: Apparently they were a very good Salmon lure back in the day....
:thumbs: Probably still are Mark :wink:

The London company Lorrimore Specialities used to do a special 'Gurth Edelsten' salmon pattern (top left) in their 'Snapdragon' plug range, heavily based on the River Runt.

Gurth Edelsten wrote 'The Plug and The Salmon' published in 1951 from his series of articles featured in the 'Fishing Gazette' in 1949.

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NB: The earliest 'Snapdragons' were extremely well-made plugs, far better than the later models which were poorer quality with cheaper hooks and hardware.
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Post by Jake Hamilton » Thu Apr 26 2018 12:49

These are fantastic :thumbs:
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Post by davelumb » Thu Apr 26 2018 12:55

I find the old British lures more interesting than the famous Yankee ones.

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Post by John Milford » Thu Apr 26 2018 20:00

davelumb wrote:
I find the old British lures more interesting than the famous Yankee ones.
So do I Dave :thumbs: Believe it or not, the American lures are just an (enjoyable) 'sideline' in my collecting - to keep my eye in until one of the really early British lures crops up. Missed out on a corker recently - but it's all in the game :wink:
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Post by davelumb » Thu Apr 26 2018 20:02

John Milford wrote:
davelumb wrote:
I find the old British lures more interesting than the famous Yankee ones.
So do I Dave :thumbs: Believe it or not, the American lures are just an (enjoyable) 'sideline' in my collecting - to keep my eye in until one of the really early British lures crops up. Missed out on a corker recently - but it's all in the game :wink:
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Post by John Milford » Mon Apr 30 2018 15:22

'Nevisons' and 'Pliquatics' are among the weirdest baits in my collection - made from real fish and critters, dessicated and encased in celluloid!

Allcocks led the way with these in 1939 and I've been lucky enough to stumble upon not only a few nice individual baits but also a 'trade pack'!

'Pliquatics', as featured on the back-cover advert in the 1949 first edition of 'Mr Crabtree Goes Fishing', were a similar bait manufactured by Waterton (England) Ltd, of Colchester.

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'Pliquatics' have proven more fragile than 'Nevisons' in terms of surviving in good condition. I particularly like the sandeel and prawns I've managed to find, plus some in their original tubes with leaflets:
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Post by Monts » Mon Apr 30 2018 16:48

Much prefer looking at your hard baits John, but those look interesting too. Nice thread. :thumbs:
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Post by fergie68 » Mon Apr 30 2018 17:29

Those nevison minnows look as if they could still do some damage. Nice
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Post by John Milford » Mon Apr 30 2018 18:03

Yeah, I completely get where you're coming from Monts - they're not exactly attractive looking baits - in fact quite the opposite - there's something slightly disturbing about them! :afraid:

Still, very interesting and another of the fascinatingly mad ideas in the quest for the 'perfect lure'!

The Americans developed similar plastic-coated real minnow lures* too, basically copies of the 'Nevison'. Before that, they made lures that were essentially little glass bottles, with hooks, into which you could place a live fish! I've also seen Tuna/Marlin big game lures with real fish heads encapsulated in the 'bullet' or popper!

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Post by John Milford » Mon Apr 30 2018 18:15

fergie68 wrote:
Those nevison minnows look as if they could still do some damage. Nice
:thumbs: The Allcocks process with their Nevisons was much better than the later Pliquatics. I've got one, without its box, that I'm going to try later this year for perch.
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Post by fergie68 » Mon Apr 30 2018 18:28

I had one similar it had a single hook in the side and a flying treble it absolutely slayed the trout when they were on the minnows. I lost it on a tree stump in Loch Garry.
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Post by John Milford » Tue May 01 2018 15:06

A couple of antique lures from the 'top drawer' of my collection. Victorian 'Clipper' baits, based on an 1870 American design by William D. Chapman of New York.

These two are English and the 'six clasp' mounts for their glass eyes suggest they were probably made in Birmingham's 'Jewlery Quarter' by James Gregory of Vyse Street and sold by Samuel Allcock of Redditch. I was especially pleased to acquire the top one, being the largest 3" (body) size.

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Post by davelumb » Tue May 01 2018 15:50

The variety of 'old tat' in your possession never ceases to amaze me, John! :clown:

Is the woolly treble on the bigger bait a modern addition?

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Post by John Milford » Tue May 01 2018 16:24

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The variety of 'old tat' in your possession never ceases to amaze me, John! :clown:

Is the woolly treble on the bigger bait a modern addition?
They're both replacement hooks Dave. They aren't often found with their original trebles (which fortunately does not affect their value :pipe: ).
The originals would have been red wool tagged, so the hooks are 'authentic', for display purposes, but not original.

There's a mixed lot of (mostly) 'tat' on eBay presently that has the 'baby' sized Clipper (which I've not got - yet) hiding in it. It's currently up to £190 with still 5 days to go . . .
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Post by davelumb » Tue May 01 2018 16:32

John Milford wrote:
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The variety of 'old tat' in your possession never ceases to amaze me, John! :clown:

Is the woolly treble on the bigger bait a modern addition?
They're both replacement hooks Dave. They aren't often found with their original trebles (which fortunately does not affect their value :pipe: ).
The originals would have been red wool tagged, so the hooks are 'authentic', for display purposes, but not original.

There's a mixed lot of (mostly) 'tat' on eBay presently that has the 'baby' sized Clipper (which I've not got - yet) hiding in it. It's currently up to £190 with still 5 days to go . . .
I'm surprised lack of original hooks isn't a bad thing. But I guess those with wool tags rusted!

have you set yourself a limit bidding for that lot of 'tat'? :smile:

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Post by John Milford » Tue May 01 2018 17:56

Collectors are pretty pragmatic about anything attached by a split ring - also lures which were once rigged with gut mounts - which become impossibly brittle after a century! I've a few very old baits with original gut mounts, but I'm afraid to touch them!

My finger will be hovering if it stays below £250 (I'll tell you why once it's ended :wink: :pipe: ).
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Post by davelumb » Tue May 01 2018 18:04

Something else you're hoping nobody else has spotted in with the tat. Obvs.

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