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Re: Angling books you cut your teeth on....

Posted: Wed Mar 18 2020 14:19
by davelumb
John Milford wrote:
davelumb wrote:
John Milford wrote:
davelumb wrote:
I have never understood the appeal of Mr Crabtree. I think the illustration style (or lack of style!) put me off, and they seemed old fashioned.
I thought the Mr Crabtree' books were old fashioned, even when I read them in the 1960s! However, I found they captured the essence of fishing, if not the substance.

(Simple drawings, with their sometimes dodgy perspective, and all!).

This one is a howler, but perhaps the most evocative of them for me. :pipe:


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They just look crap to me. :exit:
It's not that Venables couldn't draw, or was a poor draughtsman - he was simply using artistic licence to capture the moment.

Do you dislike 'graphic novel' type art in general, or just his Dave?
Not a big fan of graphic novels TBH, but I used to like the drawings in 'Commando' books (https://www.commandocomics.com/) - which I used to copy, along with Spiderman and The Mighty Thor illustrations!

Venables's fish never look 'right' to me. Not a patch on Keith Linsell's.

Re: Angling books you cut your teeth on....

Posted: Wed Mar 18 2020 14:21
by davelumb
Anyway, I've been down a nostalgia rabbit hole. I'd forgotten about this one - https://www.anglebooks.com/i-spy-fishin ... i-spy.html

Re: Angling books you cut your teeth on....

Posted: Wed Mar 18 2020 17:17
by lochhopper
John Milford wrote:
davelumb wrote:
I have never understood the appeal of Mr Crabtree. I think the illustration style (or lack of style!) put me off, and they seemed old fashioned.
I thought the Mr Crabtree' books were old fashioned, even when I read them in the 1960s! However, I found they captured the essence of fishing, if not the substance.

(Simple drawings, with their sometimes dodgy perspective, and all!).

This one is a howler, but perhaps the most evocative of them for me. :pipe:


Crabtree run~2.JPG
Hmm, free-roving livebait... good choice by 20 ft surf? :scratch: :grin:

Re: Angling books you cut your teeth on....

Posted: Thu Mar 19 2020 14:30
by Monts
Getting back to the YouTube theme, as this thread ebbs and flows. Frank Boris Barlow, now his articles I used to like, I've always had zero interest in Match Fishing. But he used to make me laugh. Sadly very little film footage of him. I reckon one of those anglers who could tell a good story while you shared a pint or three.

Re: Angling books you cut your teeth on....

Posted: Thu Mar 19 2020 18:37
by piker66
davelumb wrote:
John Milford wrote:
davelumb wrote:
John Milford wrote:
davelumb wrote:
I have never understood the appeal of Mr Crabtree. I think the illustration style (or lack of style!) put me off, and they seemed old fashioned.
I thought the Mr Crabtree' books were old fashioned, even when I read them in the 1960s! However, I found they captured the essence of fishing, if not the substance.

(Simple drawings, with their sometimes dodgy perspective, and all!).

This one is a howler, but perhaps the most evocative of them for me. :pipe:


Crabtree run~2.JPG
They just look crap to me. :exit:
It's not that Venables couldn't draw, or was a poor draughtsman - he was simply using artistic licence to capture the moment.

Do you dislike 'graphic novel' type art in general, or just his Dave?
Not a big fan of graphic novels TBH, but I used to like the drawings in 'Commando' books (https://www.commandocomics.com/) - which I used to copy, along with Spiderman and The Mighty Thor illustrations!

Venables's fish never look 'right' to me. Not a patch on Keith Linsell's.
The Commando books....the Germans always said 'Himmel !' when shot, while the Japanese cried 'Aieee !' when shot !

Re: Angling books you cut your teeth on....

Posted: Thu Mar 19 2020 20:21
by John Milford
piker66 wrote:
The Commando books....the Germans always said 'Himmel !' when shot, while the Japanese cried 'Aieee !' when shot !
Here's a rare German "Aieee . . . . ". :grin:

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Re: Angling books you cut your teeth on....

Posted: Thu Mar 19 2020 20:22
by davelumb
John Milford wrote:
piker66 wrote:
The Commando books....the Germans always said 'Himmel !' when shot, while the Japanese cried 'Aieee !' when shot !
Here's a rare German "Aieee . . . . ". :grin:


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A Commando book nerd as well as a lure nerd! :grin:

Re: Angling books you cut your teeth on....

Posted: Fri Mar 20 2020 00:02
by Happy Hayes
Monts wrote:
Getting back to the YouTube theme, as this thread ebbs and flows. Frank Boris Barlow, now his articles I used to like, I've always had zero interest in Match Fishing. But he used to make me laugh. Sadly very little film footage of him. I reckon one of those anglers who could tell a good story while you shared a pint or three.
I looked forward to Franks weekly column
Wrote the way he spoke .
As you said ,it would have been nice to have met him down the pub
Regards
Tom

Re: Angling books you cut your teeth on....

Posted: Fri Mar 20 2020 01:43
by Andytheammer
Had a copy of his book that was printed after his death which included his columns
The Best of Barlow, he had some great stories & knew how to tell them

Re: Angling books you cut your teeth on....

Posted: Mon Mar 23 2020 09:20
by greencard1
I am going to be controversial now, and name Pike Fishing in the 80s by Neville Fickling.
At a time that my pike fishing was flagging, Neville came out with a no-nonsense book that re-ignited my interest, and probably the interests of a lot of other anglers too.

Re: Angling books you cut your teeth on....

Posted: Mon Mar 23 2020 11:42
by John Milford
greencard1 wrote:
I am going to be controversial now, and name Pike Fishing in the 80s by Neville Fickling.
At a time that my pike fishing was flagging, Neville came out with a no-nonsense book that re-ignited my interest, and probably the interests of a lot of other anglers too.
Nothing wrong with any of Nev's books (or Nev really) apart from his occasional tendencies towards twattishness (for which, let's face it, he does not hold a monopoly).

Here's a question (to anybody). If you read a book by someone you've met and know - do you have their voice in your head when you're reading it? :pipe:

Re: Angling books you cut your teeth on....

Posted: Mon Mar 23 2020 15:08
by greencard1
Yes.

Re: Angling books you cut your teeth on....

Posted: Mon Mar 23 2020 20:05
by Mattjb
greencard1 wrote:
I am going to be controversial now, and name Pike Fishing in the 80s by Neville Fickling.
At a time that my pike fishing was flagging, Neville came out with a no-nonsense book that re-ignited my interest, and probably the interests of a lot of other anglers too.
Pike fishing in the 80s was an influential book for me as a teenage piker back then. I remember Nev doing a slideshow for our Bristol PAC around then and to be fair he came over and spent some time talking to us few young uns and asking us about our fishing.

Re: Angling books you cut your teeth on....

Posted: Thu Mar 26 2020 15:38
by nigel savage
These two were well read
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Our class room at School was also the library, me and my mate used to wait in anticipation every week for the angling times to be delivered there, reading articles from Fred Wagstaff and his exploits after Pike etc.

On the war front I was aircraft (Second world war) mad, with the bedroom ceiling pinned and nailed with Airfix kits so although I read the Commando books it was the Air ace books that I went for. I went online just now and this one bought back memories, reading it some 55+ years ago :afraid:
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Re: Angling books you cut your teeth on....

Posted: Sun Mar 29 2020 20:20
by John Milford
I've never read this little Bernard Venables book, but a copy cropped up on eBay just now for a tenner.

I hovered for a while - then the seller sent me a 'buy it now' offer of £7 posted.

Took his hand off, as in the meantime I'd checked Amazon and the cheapest copy was £40! :eek:

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Re: Angling books you cut your teeth on....

Posted: Sun Mar 29 2020 20:35
by greencard1
It's fantastic.
Especially the look on Mr Cherry's face when he loses the big pike.
Is it a first edition?

Re: Angling books you cut your teeth on....

Posted: Sun Mar 29 2020 20:40
by John Milford
greencard1 wrote:
It's fantastic.
Especially the look on Mr Cherry's face when he loses the big pike.
Is it a first edition?
Third impression, 1965.

(I think I've seen the picture from it you mention, but not the whole book).

Re: Angling books you cut your teeth on....

Posted: Sun Mar 29 2020 20:48
by greencard1
I have got 2 copies. One bought recently, but the first bought in about 1973 from the Angling Times stand at the East of England show near Peterborough. There was a casting pool near the stand with plastic rings fixed in the top end of it. A man was demonstrating casting a spinning rod using a rubber 'bomb' instead of a spinner. He demonstrated what I think is called a 'ping' cast, for when you need to fish through a hole in a hedge! He landed the bomb in the ring every time. I was spellbound, and eventually had to be literally dragged away.

Re: Angling books you cut your teeth on....

Posted: Tue Mar 31 2020 18:13
by greencard1
John Milford wrote:
greencard1 wrote:
It's fantastic.
Especially the look on Mr Cherry's face when he loses the big pike.
Is it a first edition?
Third impression, 1965.

(I think I've seen the picture from it you mention, but not the whole book).
I think Harris Angling used it as a Christmas card one year.
I miss Harris Angling.

Re: Angling books you cut your teeth on....

Posted: Tue Mar 31 2020 20:25
by alanunthank
Hugh Stokers spinning and trolling for sea fish. Spent a long time in library reading. 😀

Re: Angling books you cut your teeth on....

Posted: Tue Mar 31 2020 21:41
by Duncan Holmes
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Re: Angling books you cut your teeth on....

Posted: Thu Apr 09 2020 07:48
by greencard1
I did not 'cut my teeth' on this book, but I would recommend 'Angling, Fundamental Principles' by Barrie Rickards.
I had a look at it again recently, and it is very interesting how things have changed, and not changed.
Barrie's thoughts on the Country being able to feed itself from freshwater fish was obviously written before the catastrophic recent predation.
His assertion that 'motorised' plugs would be with us within a decade, (the book was published in 1986) did not come true. His idea for treble hooks with clips at the top of the shank (so that an angler could take a pile of untangled lure bodies to the waterside, and then clip a couple of trebles on to the chosen lure) was not taken up by any hook maker.
However, there is so much varied content, written by a legendary 'thinking' angler, that I would recommend it to anyone.

P.S. There are even illustrations of circle hooks!

Re: Angling books you cut your teeth on....

Posted: Tue Apr 21 2020 16:58
by Sam
I have so many books, fishing and otherwise I simply have no space to display them all! Early books for me included the obligatory Anglers Encyclopedia and the Fisherman's Handbook. I used to hoard every issue of Anglers Mail I could find as well, including the annuals and the Winfield books.

As I progressed as a junior specimen hunter, I found out about the works of Jim Gibbinson and Peter Stone, in particular Gravel Pit Angling. Nowadays, I can't help but think that if Peter had just put a backstop behind his lead, he would have caught a lot more and the book would have been about 2/3 shorter. Most of the book was about hitting bites that would have been nailed on a bolt rig.

I read and re-read The Big Fish Scene by Frank Guttfield many times over. I found that truly inspirational and drove me to want to catch better fish by design. Later on in life I discovered the joys of Richard Walker and added many of his classic titles to my collection. Stillwater Angling stands out for me, along with Drop Me a Line. Awesome stuff. There are many other 'outdoors lifestyle' books I own/cherish, too many to list or go into here.

I love books...

Re: Angling books you cut your teeth on....

Posted: Tue Apr 28 2020 07:02
by Chris Hammond
davelumb wrote:
Monts wrote:
davelumb wrote:
Monts wrote:
davelumb wrote:
I have never understood the appeal of Mr Crabtree. I think the illustration style (or lack of style!) put me off, and they seemed old fashioned.

What ever you do don't pic up BVs Biography A Stream of Life. A really tedious and difficult read IMO. And I'm sad to say I never made it to the end.
Thanks for the warning.

I've been googling BV and found a lovely clip of him plugging for pike. Smart use of the gaff too. :thumbs:

I'd post the vid if it didn't name the loch! :laughs:

Lots of stuff on Youtube, BV fishing all over, Jack Hargreaves, Ivan Marks etc. All bring a smile to my face. :thumbs:
I've been watching Jack Hargreaves stuff. :thumbs:

https://www.youtube.com/user/MrDsKitchen/videos
His stepson is a friend on FB and seems to be constantly trying to shut down stuff like that on YouTube as he has the sole rights to his step father's TV shows.

Re: Angling books you cut your teeth on....

Posted: Tue Apr 28 2020 08:10
by davelumb
Chris Hammond wrote:
davelumb wrote:
Monts wrote:
davelumb wrote:
Monts wrote:
davelumb wrote:
I have never understood the appeal of Mr Crabtree. I think the illustration style (or lack of style!) put me off, and they seemed old fashioned.

What ever you do don't pic up BVs Biography A Stream of Life. A really tedious and difficult read IMO. And I'm sad to say I never made it to the end.
Thanks for the warning.

I've been googling BV and found a lovely clip of him plugging for pike. Smart use of the gaff too. :thumbs:

I'd post the vid if it didn't name the loch! :laughs:

Lots of stuff on Youtube, BV fishing all over, Jack Hargreaves, Ivan Marks etc. All bring a smile to my face. :thumbs:
I've been watching Jack Hargreaves stuff. :thumbs:

https://www.youtube.com/user/MrDsKitchen/videos
His stepson is a friend on FB and seems to be constantly trying to shut down stuff like that on YouTube as he has the sole rights to his step father's TV shows.
Maybe he's tied in with Dave Knowles who he's selling DVDs - https://daveknowles.net/product-categor ... argreaves/

Re: Angling books you cut your teeth on....

Posted: Tue Apr 28 2020 09:43
by John Milford
greencard1 wrote:
His idea for treble hooks with clips at the top of the shank (so that an angler could take a pile of untangled lure bodies to the waterside, and then clip a couple of trebles on to the chosen lure) was not taken up by any hook maker.
Barrie and I used to talk and correspond about old lures quite regularly, but at the time I had not really started to research and collect really old lures (i.e. from the Victorian & Edwardian era).

I'm sure Barrie would have been highly amused to find that his 'clip on' treble idea was being used on Allcock lures over 100 years ago!

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Re: Angling books you cut your teeth on....

Posted: Tue Apr 28 2020 12:57
by greencard1
John Milford wrote:
greencard1 wrote:
His idea for treble hooks with clips at the top of the shank (so that an angler could take a pile of untangled lure bodies to the waterside, and then clip a couple of trebles on to the chosen lure) was not taken up by any hook maker.
Barrie and I used to talk and correspond about old lures quite regularly, but at the time I had not really started to research and collect really old lures (i.e. from the Victorian & Edwardian era).

I'm sure Barrie would have been highly amused to find that his 'clip on' treble idea was being used on Allcock lures over 100 years ago!

Isn't that a beautiful little thing!

Circle hooks, Burbot, flooding, writing careers, all kinds of things that have been talked about on the Pit recently are there in Barrie's book. The last time I looked there were about 6 of them for sale on fleabay, all for under a fiver. Why wouldn't you?

Re: Angling books you cut your teeth on....

Posted: Tue Apr 28 2020 13:02
by greencard1
What a beautiful little thing that is!

Circle hooks, Burbot, flooding, writing careers, so many things that have been talked about on the Pit recently are there in Barrie's book. There were about 6 available on fleabay last time I looked, all for under a fiver. Why wouldn't you?

Re: Angling books you cut your teeth on....

Posted: Tue Apr 28 2020 14:09
by davelumb
When I first aspired to be a 'specimen hunter' these two were my go-to reads.

The Kenneth Seaman book is a prime example of not judging a book by its cover. It's all about targeting big fish from canals. Much of the info couple be applied to slow moving drains and stillwaters too.
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Re: Angling books you cut your teeth on....

Posted: Tue Apr 28 2020 15:22
by Chris Hammond
I used to deliver milk to the Prof's neighbours. His name was in the milk book but he must have stopped before I took the round on for a year or so.

I bought a couple of his books after his sad departure. He never spoke to me on any occasion in any other way than friendly and he always seemed to be cheerful and optimistic.

He's up there for me along with a handful of others in the 'notable' piking circle.