davelumb wrote: ↑Evolution was random Dave, until these primates with big brains thought of 'husbandry', then genetic engineering. Just wait until we start engineering our own genetics!John Milford wrote: ↑Evolution is all just random s**t if you ask me. Humans won't last as long as the dinosaurs did. And they fecked off eventually!davelumb wrote: ↑I wouldn't set too much store by that criteria Dave. Even worms alter the environment they inhabit.John Milford wrote: ↑Well, hominids have altered the environments they inhabit since at least the invention/discovery of tools. How far back do we draw the line at not being a part of nature?davelumb wrote: ↑Interesting. Especially the dilemma of human 'intervention' raising the philosophical question of whether or not humans are actually an inseparable part of 'nature'.John Milford wrote: ↑Nothing to do directly with hunting, but related as it concerns ideological unmanaged 'rewilding'. Google Oostvaardersplassen.Stewlaws wrote: ↑Interesting comparison Stew.Fascinating subject and altogether emotive for some, read a report on a study between 2 estates in the Highlands, one was unshot the other was managed intensively, the stags shot averaged 12stone on the unmanaged estate along with poor health, liver fluke, high tick infestation..the managed estate was averaging 24 stone and in fine health.
This was under the BDS iirc.
I suppose that is because the deer's natural predators have all been eliminated, so there is no natural thinning out of the weak and sick in the 'unshot' herd?
(In a good way if you're a plant, but pretty disastrously if you happen to be an anaerobic bacteria).
Who is to say it is not our designated role in nature to fcuk things up for everything else?
(I'm only half joking. Perhaps we are nature's ploy to extend life beyond earth, once we've consumed everything useful on this planet? ).
The concept of the 'Übermensch' has been around since 1883 and Nietzsche's Also Sprach Zarathustra, but now we have the technology!