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Re: Tools explained.

Post by Kev Berry » Sun Apr 21 2019 10:47

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In my experience- which is working with wood and screws most days for 25 years- virtually none of that is true. Slot headed screws feck up first. They're difficult to use, especially with power tools. A good quality pozi driver bit and decent quality screws will last for 10s of thousands of screws if used correctly. Hold the drill level and apply even pressure and it should never shear.
I've never ever met a tradesman who uses slotted screws by choice.
you need to do a bit of history checking to see just how much it is true

Slot headed screws are not made for power tool use

good quality pozi drives last for 10's of thousands of screws!!!!! now that isn't true, and I bet just about everyone on here will have a handful of fecked pzi drive bits

this has gone off slant----my original comment was the trouble with slotted screws is people not using the right size SCREWDRIVER---do you agree with that?

like I said pozi screws are more convenient to use especially with power tools---that's why tradesmen no longer use slotted for most of their work

Do you know why are bog screws slotted and not pozi?

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Re: Tools explained.

Post by zodiac » Sun Apr 21 2019 11:28

Kev Berry wrote:
zodiac wrote:
In my experience- which is working with wood and screws most days for 25 years- virtually none of that is true. Slot headed screws feck up first. They're difficult to use, especially with power tools. A good quality pozi driver bit and decent quality screws will last for 10s of thousands of screws if used correctly. Hold the drill level and apply even pressure and it should never shear.
I've never ever met a tradesman who uses slotted screws by choice.
you need to do a bit of history checking to see just how much it is true

Slot headed screws are not made for power tool use

good quality pozi drives last for 10's of thousands of screws!!!!! now that isn't true, and I bet just about everyone on here will have a handful of fecked pzi drive bits

this has gone off slant----my original comment was the trouble with slotted screws is people not using the right size SCREWDRIVER---do you agree with that?

like I said pozi screws are more convenient to use especially with power tools---that's why tradesmen no longer use slotted for most of their work

Do you know why are bog screws slotted and not pozi?

I've broken a bog pan when over tightening with pozi screws so yes!
Kev, I know you like a debate but I'm not spending my holiday weekend discussing the relative merits of various fasteners and fixings. Feel free to carry on without me! :hammer:
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Re: Tools explained.

Post by Kev Berry » Sun Apr 21 2019 14:41

zodiac wrote:
Kev Berry wrote:
zodiac wrote:
In my experience- which is working with wood and screws most days for 25 years- virtually none of that is true. Slot headed screws feck up first. They're difficult to use, especially with power tools. A good quality pozi driver bit and decent quality screws will last for 10s of thousands of screws if used correctly. Hold the drill level and apply even pressure and it should never shear.
I've never ever met a tradesman who uses slotted screws by choice.
you need to do a bit of history checking to see just how much it is true

Slot headed screws are not made for power tool use

good quality pozi drives last for 10's of thousands of screws!!!!! now that isn't true, and I bet just about everyone on here will have a handful of fecked pzi drive bits

this has gone off slant----my original comment was the trouble with slotted screws is people not using the right size SCREWDRIVER---do you agree with that?

like I said pozi screws are more convenient to use especially with power tools---that's why tradesmen no longer use slotted for most of their work

Do you know why are bog screws slotted and not pozi?

I've broken a bog pan when over tightening with pozi screws so yes!
Kev, I know you like a debate but I'm not spending my holiday weekend discussing the relative merits of various fasteners and fixings. Feel free to carry on without me! :hammer:
They slotted because proper bog screws are made of brass (dont rust and ya gonna round off with pozi in brass
Power driver for bog screws? That's another reason why they slotted...so you have to use a screwdriver.

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Re: Tools explained.

Post by Andrew Croft » Sun Apr 21 2019 14:49

plenty of times if stripped the heed off old philips type screw that wouldnt budge. f****n pain in the a**e.

dremel to the rescue cutting a slot in the heed and usin a flat heeded screwdriver/bit. quicker than drillin the b*****d out. I love a slot...
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Re: Tools explained.

Post by Happy Hayes » Sun Apr 21 2019 18:56

Andrew, am I mistaken
Are you actually agreeing with Kev
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Re: Tools explained.

Post by Kev Berry » Sun Apr 21 2019 19:38

Happy Hayes wrote:
Andrew, am I mistaken
Are you actually agreeing with Kev
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he would rather stick pins in his eyes than admit that Tom :wink:

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Re: Tools explained.

Post by Andrew Croft » Sun Apr 21 2019 20:18

Happy Hayes wrote:
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Re: Tools explained.

Post by Chris Hammond » Fri Jan 31 2020 19:47

Best hand tool in my world is a six foot iron drift bar. Point on one end and chisel on tother. No better tool in the Groundworker's armory. Love my bar!

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Re: Tools explained.

Post by Bob Watson » Fri Jan 31 2020 21:23

Chris Hammond wrote:
Best hand tool in my world is a six foot iron drift bar. Point on one end and chisel on tother. No better tool in the Groundworker's armory. Love my bar!
That's a pinch bar to me, usually used to extract kerbs that have been in situ since the romans built roads :thumbs: :wink:

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Re: Tools explained.

Post by Chris Hammond » Fri Jan 31 2020 21:40

Bob Watson wrote:
Chris Hammond wrote:
Best hand tool in my world is a six foot iron drift bar. Point on one end and chisel on tother. No better tool in the Groundworker's armory. Love my bar!
That's a pinch bar to me, usually used to extract kerbs that have been in situ since the romans built roads :thumbs: :wink:
With that bar, the law of leverage and a couple of commons I can turn a skip 360 degrees when the driver turns up with the gate at the wrong end. I can bust out the concrete from a rotted fence post or lever up two hundred weight chunks of concrete from a 150 mm slab of concrete path or oversite or lever an osma pipe into the coupling.

... I reckon I could make a Sunday dinner with a 1.5 ton Kubota and my bar!

(May have started the Brexit celebrations a bit early here in Suffolk. :grin: :grin: :grin:)

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Re: Tools explained.

Post by Bob Watson » Fri Jan 31 2020 21:41

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Chris Hammond wrote:
Bob Watson wrote:
Chris Hammond wrote:
Best hand tool in my world is a six foot iron drift bar. Point on one end and chisel on tother. No better tool in the Groundworker's armory. Love my bar!
That's a pinch bar to me, usually used to extract kerbs that have been in situ since the romans built roads :thumbs: :wink:
With that bar, the law of leverage and a couple of commons I can turn a skip 360 degrees when the driver turns up with the gate at the wrong end. I can bust out the concrete from a rotted fence post or lever up two hundred weight chunks of concrete from a 150 mm slab of concrete path or oversite or lever an osma pipe into the coupling.

... I reckon I could make a Sunday dinner with a 1.5 ton Kubota and my bar!

(May have started the Brexit celebrations a bit early here in Suffolk. :grin: :grin: :grin:)
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Re: Tools explained.

Post by Kev Berry » Sat Feb 01 2020 00:18

Chris Hammond wrote:
Bob Watson wrote:
Chris Hammond wrote:
Best hand tool in my world is a six foot iron drift bar. Point on one end and chisel on tother. No better tool in the Groundworker's armory. Love my bar!
That's a pinch bar to me, usually used to extract kerbs that have been in situ since the romans built roads :thumbs: :wink:
With that bar, the law of leverage and a couple of commons I can turn a skip 360 degrees when the driver turns up with the gate at the wrong end. I can bust out the concrete from a rotted fence post or lever up two hundred weight chunks of concrete from a 150 mm slab of concrete path or oversite or lever an osma pipe into the coupling.

... I reckon I could make a Sunday dinner with a 1.5 ton Kubota and my bar!

(May have started the Brexit celebrations a bit early here in Suffolk. :grin: :grin: :grin:)
I once built a whole estate with one of those bars

(probably been celebrating before you face :drunk: )

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Re: Tools explained.

Post by Steve Le maitre » Sat Feb 01 2020 21:35

Chris Hammond wrote:
Bob Watson wrote:
Chris Hammond wrote:
Best hand tool in my world is a six foot iron drift bar. Point on one end and chisel on tother. No better tool in the Groundworker's armory. Love my bar!
That's a pinch bar to me, usually used to extract kerbs that have been in situ since the romans built roads :thumbs: :wink:
With that bar, the law of leverage and a couple of commons I can turn a skip 360 degrees when the driver turns up with the gate at the wrong end. I can bust out the concrete from a rotted fence post or lever up two hundred weight chunks of concrete from a 150 mm slab of concrete path or oversite or lever an osma pipe into the coupling.

... I reckon I could make a Sunday dinner with a 1.5 ton Kubota and my bar!

(May have started the Brexit celebrations a bit early here in Suffolk. :grin: :grin: :grin:)

We’ve an old hexagon bar on the farm that must be 50+ years old and the metal is incredible, I bought a new bar recently and it’s of round steel and although heavier than the ancient hex bar it is not as nice in the hand, and the point didn’t last long ! Throw it in the skip !

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Post by Will Smith » Sun Feb 02 2020 00:09

Steve Le maitre wrote:
Chris Hammond wrote:
Bob Watson wrote:
Chris Hammond wrote:
Best hand tool in my world is a six foot iron drift bar. Point on one end and chisel on tother. No better tool in the Groundworker's armory. Love my bar!
That's a pinch bar to me, usually used to extract kerbs that have been in situ since the romans built roads :thumbs: :wink:
With that bar, the law of leverage and a couple of commons I can turn a skip 360 degrees when the driver turns up with the gate at the wrong end. I can bust out the concrete from a rotted fence post or lever up two hundred weight chunks of concrete from a 150 mm slab of concrete path or oversite or lever an osma pipe into the coupling.

... I reckon I could make a Sunday dinner with a 1.5 ton Kubota and my bar!

(May have started the Brexit celebrations a bit early here in Suffolk. :grin: :grin: :grin:)

We’ve an old hexagon bar on the farm that must be 50+ years old and the metal is incredible, I bought a new bar recently and it’s of round steel and although heavier than the ancient hex bar it is not as nice in the hand, and the point didn’t last long ! Throw it in the skip !
Your hex bar is probably an old section of drilling bar Steve, I have one as well, also have an old spiral bar and a lovely old BR (British Rail) pinch bar :thumbs: .
Extremely versatile pieces of kit, often called a 'dibble bar 'around these parts, used for dibbling holes for fence posts.

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Re: Tools explained.

Post by Chris Hammond » Sun Feb 02 2020 01:33

Steve Le maitre wrote:
Chris Hammond wrote:
Bob Watson wrote:
Chris Hammond wrote:
Best hand tool in my world is a six foot iron drift bar. Point on one end and chisel on tother. No better tool in the Groundworker's armory. Love my bar!
That's a pinch bar to me, usually used to extract kerbs that have been in situ since the romans built roads :thumbs: :wink:
With that bar, the law of leverage and a couple of commons I can turn a skip 360 degrees when the driver turns up with the gate at the wrong end. I can bust out the concrete from a rotted fence post or lever up two hundred weight chunks of concrete from a 150 mm slab of concrete path or oversite or lever an osma pipe into the coupling.

... I reckon I could make a Sunday dinner with a 1.5 ton Kubota and my bar!

(May have started the Brexit celebrations a bit early here in Suffolk. :grin: :grin: :grin:)

We’ve an old hexagon bar on the farm that must be 50+ years old and the metal is incredible, I bought a new bar recently and it’s of round steel and although heavier than the ancient hex bar it is not as nice in the hand, and the point didn’t last long ! Throw it in the skip !
I had one for twenty five years Steve. It rolled off the truck as I rounded a bend in Cambridge a couple of years back. About 40mm diameter and Six foot six long. As you say a superior tool to the modern one I have. I was broken hearted!

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Re: Tools explained.

Post by Chris Hammond » Sun Feb 02 2020 01:35

Kev Berry wrote:
Chris Hammond wrote:
Bob Watson wrote:
Chris Hammond wrote:
Best hand tool in my world is a six foot iron drift bar. Point on one end and chisel on tother. No better tool in the Groundworker's armory. Love my bar!
That's a pinch bar to me, usually used to extract kerbs that have been in situ since the romans built roads :thumbs: :wink:
With that bar, the law of leverage and a couple of commons I can turn a skip 360 degrees when the driver turns up with the gate at the wrong end. I can bust out the concrete from a rotted fence post or lever up two hundred weight chunks of concrete from a 150 mm slab of concrete path or oversite or lever an osma pipe into the coupling.

... I reckon I could make a Sunday dinner with a 1.5 ton Kubota and my bar!

(May have started the Brexit celebrations a bit early here in Suffolk. :grin: :grin: :grin:)
I once built a whole estate with one of those bars

(probably been celebrating before you face :drunk: )
I was asleep before we entered the departure lounge! :red:

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Re: Tools explained.

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Chris Hammond wrote:
Bob Watson wrote:
Chris Hammond wrote:
Best hand tool in my world is a six foot iron drift bar. Point on one end and chisel on tother. No better tool in the Groundworker's armory. Love my bar!
That's a pinch bar to me, usually used to extract kerbs that have been in situ since the romans built roads :thumbs: :wink:
With that bar, the law of leverage and a couple of commons I can turn a skip 360 degrees when the driver turns up with the gate at the wrong end. I can bust out the concrete from a rotted fence post or lever up two hundred weight chunks of concrete from a 150 mm slab of concrete path or oversite or lever an osma pipe into the coupling.

... I reckon I could make a Sunday dinner with a 1.5 ton Kubota and my bar!

(May have started the Brexit celebrations a bit early here in Suffolk. :grin: :grin: :grin:)
360 degrees. That would still be facing the same way.......

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Re: Tools explained.

Post by Chris Hammond » Sat Feb 08 2020 09:16

Bucks Andy wrote:
Chris Hammond wrote:
Bob Watson wrote:
Chris Hammond wrote:
Best hand tool in my world is a six foot iron drift bar. Point on one end and chisel on tother. No better tool in the Groundworker's armory. Love my bar!
That's a pinch bar to me, usually used to extract kerbs that have been in situ since the romans built roads :thumbs: :wink:
With that bar, the law of leverage and a couple of commons I can turn a skip 360 degrees when the driver turns up with the gate at the wrong end. I can bust out the concrete from a rotted fence post or lever up two hundred weight chunks of concrete from a 150 mm slab of concrete path or oversite or lever an osma pipe into the coupling.

... I reckon I could make a Sunday dinner with a 1.5 ton Kubota and my bar!

(May have started the Brexit celebrations a bit early here in Suffolk. :grin: :grin: :grin:)
360 degrees. That would still be facing the same way.......
Well done Wilson. I was wondering who would be the first to spot that! :grin:

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Post by Will Smith » Sat Feb 08 2020 22:15

Chris Hammond wrote:
Bucks Andy wrote:
Chris Hammond wrote:
Bob Watson wrote:
Chris Hammond wrote:
Best hand tool in my world is a six foot iron drift bar. Point on one end and chisel on tother. No better tool in the Groundworker's armory. Love my bar!
That's a pinch bar to me, usually used to extract kerbs that have been in situ since the romans built roads :thumbs: :wink:
With that bar, the law of leverage and a couple of commons I can turn a skip 360 degrees when the driver turns up with the gate at the wrong end. I can bust out the concrete from a rotted fence post or lever up two hundred weight chunks of concrete from a 150 mm slab of concrete path or oversite or lever an osma pipe into the coupling.

... I reckon I could make a Sunday dinner with a 1.5 ton Kubota and my bar!

(May have started the Brexit celebrations a bit early here in Suffolk. :grin: :grin: :grin:)
360 degrees. That would still be facing the same way.......
Well done Wilson. I was wondering who would be the first to spot that! :grin:
Ha ha, I did not spot it Chris, no doubt it was a deliberate mistake on your part just to catch us all out :laughs: .

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Re: Tools explained.

Post by Chris Hammond » Mon Feb 10 2020 19:46

Will Smith wrote:
Chris Hammond wrote:
Bucks Andy wrote:
Chris Hammond wrote:
Bob Watson wrote:
Chris Hammond wrote:
Best hand tool in my world is a six foot iron drift bar. Point on one end and chisel on tother. No better tool in the Groundworker's armory. Love my bar!
That's a pinch bar to me, usually used to extract kerbs that have been in situ since the romans built roads :thumbs: :wink:
With that bar, the law of leverage and a couple of commons I can turn a skip 360 degrees when the driver turns up with the gate at the wrong end. I can bust out the concrete from a rotted fence post or lever up two hundred weight chunks of concrete from a 150 mm slab of concrete path or oversite or lever an osma pipe into the coupling.

... I reckon I could make a Sunday dinner with a 1.5 ton Kubota and my bar!

(May have started the Brexit celebrations a bit early here in Suffolk. :grin: :grin: :grin:)
360 degrees. That would still be facing the same way.......
Well done Wilson. I was wondering who would be the first to spot that! :grin:
Ha ha, I did not spot it Chris, no doubt it was a deliberate mistake on your part just to catch us all out :laughs: .

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