Foamy small/shallow water drifter.
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Foamy small/shallow water drifter.
The construction is dead simple. The only tools required are a pair of scissors, a craft knife, a heat source, and possibly a fine saw. For the illustrations here I am using orange foam sheet. The materials are the EVA sheet in a colour of your choice, a foam egg, a bamboo skewer, a swivel, some 3mm glued heat shrink tube and a line clip (I used a Tackle Box own brand). The only glue I used was some Gorilla Glue Clear to fix the line clip in place, although I'm not sure it was required. I coloured the foam egg and skewer using a UniPaint marker pen. Less hassle than a brush or spray can!
There's not much to the construction. Colour up the skewer, or not, and push it through the pre-drilled foam egg to get the dimensions you fancy and cut it to length. Attach the swivel to one end of the skewer using the shrink tube. This is a surprisingly strong connection and I'm sure would work for making leger stems, provided long casting wasn't required.
The line clip is screwed into the foam egg just above the waterline. I didn't bother to make it adjustable but set it to a tension that I thought would unclip under a bit of pressure before screwing and glueing. If you did want to retain the adjustability then you'd have to keep the glue off the mechanism.
The egg can either be glued to the skewer, or wedged by building up the stem with more shrink tube. I opted for the latter approach on the prototype. Finally cut the vane to your preferred size from the sheet of EVA. Use the sharp end of the skewer to poke a couple of holes in it for the float stem to go through. The vane will hold in place.
That's it. This photo shows Prototype 1 in use and should explain how it is set up. A one ounce weigh is just right to c*ck the float and a bomb clipped to slide on the line as for a float leger might look a bit uncouth but works well enough. I'm sure the pike won't care as that's what I used to do when float trolling! The float's swivel is attached to a snap link on the lone as for a flat leger rig. If you're paranoid and use an uptrace for drifting the lead can be clipped to the mid-trace swivel using a paper clip which will open out should the lead snag up. Alternatively use monster split shot squeezed round an open loop of weak nylon in link leger style.
Variations on the theme are, of course, possible. The same design will work at a more usual size but will require a different longer stem, probably using a different material. There's no need to use orange eggs, drab coloured ones will also work. The only concern I have is how long lasting the vanes will be. I wonder if too much abuse will see them split where they are pierced. If they do then I have a cunning plan to overcome that drawback. But given the price of the EVA sheet, it's probably easier to cut a load of spares.
Full write up here - https://lumbland2.blogspot.com/2022/02/ ... ifter.html
I've more foam eggs on order with ET for some other float ideas I'm playing with. Watch this space!
There's not much to the construction. Colour up the skewer, or not, and push it through the pre-drilled foam egg to get the dimensions you fancy and cut it to length. Attach the swivel to one end of the skewer using the shrink tube. This is a surprisingly strong connection and I'm sure would work for making leger stems, provided long casting wasn't required.
The line clip is screwed into the foam egg just above the waterline. I didn't bother to make it adjustable but set it to a tension that I thought would unclip under a bit of pressure before screwing and glueing. If you did want to retain the adjustability then you'd have to keep the glue off the mechanism.
The egg can either be glued to the skewer, or wedged by building up the stem with more shrink tube. I opted for the latter approach on the prototype. Finally cut the vane to your preferred size from the sheet of EVA. Use the sharp end of the skewer to poke a couple of holes in it for the float stem to go through. The vane will hold in place.
That's it. This photo shows Prototype 1 in use and should explain how it is set up. A one ounce weigh is just right to c*ck the float and a bomb clipped to slide on the line as for a float leger might look a bit uncouth but works well enough. I'm sure the pike won't care as that's what I used to do when float trolling! The float's swivel is attached to a snap link on the lone as for a flat leger rig. If you're paranoid and use an uptrace for drifting the lead can be clipped to the mid-trace swivel using a paper clip which will open out should the lead snag up. Alternatively use monster split shot squeezed round an open loop of weak nylon in link leger style.
Variations on the theme are, of course, possible. The same design will work at a more usual size but will require a different longer stem, probably using a different material. There's no need to use orange eggs, drab coloured ones will also work. The only concern I have is how long lasting the vanes will be. I wonder if too much abuse will see them split where they are pierced. If they do then I have a cunning plan to overcome that drawback. But given the price of the EVA sheet, it's probably easier to cut a load of spares.
Full write up here - https://lumbland2.blogspot.com/2022/02/ ... ifter.html
I've more foam eggs on order with ET for some other float ideas I'm playing with. Watch this space!
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Re: Foamy small/shallow water drifter.
"He's some sort of lure savant. Or just has an unhealthy addiction to old lures. We are not quite sure . . . . . "
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Re: Foamy small/shallow water drifter.
Thanks chaps. All I have to do now is catch using it!
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Re: Foamy small/shallow water drifter.
Would the sail be better off round the other way so the wind blows it away from the line/ clip and not over it. Only asking not criticising
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Re: Foamy small/shallow water drifter.
Nice I've got most of these bits. Hobby craft will have egg shaped poly balls of different sizes and maybe something to use as a Vane if not a bit of plastic cut from a milk carton or similar household empty plastic carton.
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Re: Foamy small/shallow water drifter.
Sean Roberts wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11 2022 23:19 -But does it? I remember reading that the wind doesn't act on a stiff curved vane the way it does on a sail. Sails curve the way they do because the wind fills them out. Wind on a stiff curve will follow the line of least resistance - over the curved surface. That's the theory.Would the sail be better off round the other way so the wind blows it away from the line/ clip and not over it. Only asking not criticising
In practice I don't think it matters much.
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Re: Foamy small/shallow water drifter.
Update:
White foam sheet takes car sprays well if you want something different.
And a 'bacon box' makes a nice float box to keep the drifter and vanes together. Plus other floats.
White foam sheet takes car sprays well if you want something different.
And a 'bacon box' makes a nice float box to keep the drifter and vanes together. Plus other floats.
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Re: Foamy small/shallow water drifter.
davelumb wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12 2022 11:36 -I know it sounds a bit streaky but you could market it as the “Danish Drifter”Update:
White foam sheet takes car sprays well if you want something different.
And a 'bacon box' makes a nice float box to keep the drifter and vanes together. Plus other floats.
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Re: Foamy small/shallow water drifter.
Nige Johns wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12 2022 11:50 -davelumb wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12 2022 11:36 -I know it sounds a bit streaky but you could market it as the “Danish Drifter”Update:
White foam sheet takes car sprays well if you want something different.
And a 'bacon box' makes a nice float box to keep the drifter and vanes together. Plus other floats.
_DSC6908.jpg
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Re: Foamy small/shallow water drifter.
Nige Johns wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12 2022 11:50 -I'm not one to pass up any opportunity for a cringe-worthy quip Nige, but it seems you are even 'rasher' than me!davelumb wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12 2022 11:36 -I know it sounds a bit streaky but you could market it as the “Danish Drifter”Update:
White foam sheet takes car sprays well if you want something different.
And a 'bacon box' makes a nice float box to keep the drifter and vanes together. Plus other floats.
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"He's some sort of lure savant. Or just has an unhealthy addiction to old lures. We are not quite sure . . . . . "
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Re: Foamy small/shallow water drifter.
John Milford wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12 2022 12:57 -Nige Johns wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12 2022 11:50 -I'm not one to pass up any opportunity for a cringe-worthy quip Nige, but it seems you are even 'rasher' than me!davelumb wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12 2022 11:36 -I know it sounds a bit streaky but you could market it as the “Danish Drifter”Update:
White foam sheet takes car sprays well if you want something different.
And a 'bacon box' makes a nice float box to keep the drifter and vanes together. Plus other floats.
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Re: Foamy small/shallow water drifter.
John Milford wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12 2022 12:57 -I’m not one to ham-bush a topic JohnNige Johns wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12 2022 11:50 -I'm not one to pass up any opportunity for a cringe-worthy quip Nige, but it seems you are even 'rasher' than me!davelumb wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12 2022 11:36 -I know it sounds a bit streaky but you could market it as the “Danish Drifter”Update:
White foam sheet takes car sprays well if you want something different.
And a 'bacon box' makes a nice float box to keep the drifter and vanes together. Plus other floats.
_DSC6908.jpg
but I’ve been to the doctors about my bacon addiction.he says I can be cured
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davelumb wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12 2022 13:17 -Porky puns aside, bacon boxes are very useful for all sorts of tackle storage, especially fragile floats.You two are smokin' with your puns.
I find they utilise space in a bag better than more cube-like containers too.
My problem is that I carry drifters nearly all the time, but hardly ever use them! Every time I do, I can almost guarantee the wind will suddenly change direction or disappear!
"He's some sort of lure savant. Or just has an unhealthy addiction to old lures. We are not quite sure . . . . . "
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John Milford wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12 2022 14:36 -One advantage of small waters is that it's not usually much of a walk round to get the wind off your back when it changes.davelumb wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12 2022 13:17 -Porky puns aside, bacon boxes are very useful for all sorts of tackle storage, especially fragile floats.You two are smokin' with your puns.
I find they utilise space in a bag better than more cube-like containers too.
My problem is that I carry drifters nearly all the time, but hardly ever use them! Every time I do, I can almost guarantee the wind will suddenly change direction or disappear!
However, yesterday I fished into the wind all afternoon because I knew there were active pike in the swim (had a follow to a retrieved bait, missed two and landed two). Walking round would have let me cover the area with the drifter but the static baits would have been in less favourable spots.
These LocknLock boxes are really handy. There's one with lift-out compartments which I use a pair of for my pike tackle - trace stuff in one, rig stuff in the other.
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Re: Foamy small/shallow water drifter.
I got the poly balls from "The Works" £1 for a pack of 8 and the foam sheets from "Hobby Craft" costing £1 per sheet. I bought the smaller corrugated sheets. From each sheet you'll get 6 vanes.
That's all I needed to buy.
I opted to cut one end off a small safety pin and whipped it on the bamboo stem for the eye sealed with clear nail varnish.
Not sure if I will need to varnish over the paint work but as a test I've got a painted poly ball sitting in some water to see if it damages it over a few hours.
I've used acrylic paint purely because it only takes 1 hour to dry and the paint brush is cleaned in water.
Cheers Dave
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martin(rockape) wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01 2022 22:06 -20220301_203339.jpg
Not as neat as Daves.
I got the poly balls from "The Works" £1 for a pack of 8 and the foam sheets from "Hobby Craft" costing £1 per sheet. I bought the smaller corrugated sheets. From each sheet you'll get 6 vanes.
That's all I needed to buy.
I opted to cut one end off a small safety pin and whipped it on the bamboo stem for the eye sealed with clear nail varnish.
Not sure if I will need to varnish over the paint work but as a test I've got a painted poly ball sitting in some water to see if it damages it over a few hours.
I've used acrylic paint purely because it only takes 1 hour to dry and the paint brush is cleaned in water.
Cheers Dave
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It's like stepping back in time to when we had to make all our own pike tackle!
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Re: Foamy small/shallow water drifter.
davelumb wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01 2022 22:29 -Probably cheaper to buy some of the stuff we might make but on the plus side its fun to do and catch using it.martin(rockape) wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01 2022 22:06 -20220301_203339.jpg
Not as neat as Daves.
I got the poly balls from "The Works" £1 for a pack of 8 and the foam sheets from "Hobby Craft" costing £1 per sheet. I bought the smaller corrugated sheets. From each sheet you'll get 6 vanes.
That's all I needed to buy.
I opted to cut one end off a small safety pin and whipped it on the bamboo stem for the eye sealed with clear nail varnish.
Not sure if I will need to varnish over the paint work but as a test I've got a painted poly ball sitting in some water to see if it damages it over a few hours.
I've used acrylic paint purely because it only takes 1 hour to dry and the paint brush is cleaned in water.
Cheers Dave
Regards
Martin
It's like stepping back in time to when we had to make all our own pike tackle!
My homemade floats and this drifter won't win any beauty contests but if they work then job done.
I haven't got a complex I'm just realistic
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Re: Foamy small/shallow water drifter.
They look fine to me. I always used to use cut down safety pins for float eyes when I was a teenager.
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Re: Foamy small/shallow water drifter.
I think I've used too much glue or too strong a glue as the polystyrene has reacted/melted pushing the line clips out. So I'm going to see if I can fashion a paper clip to do the same job and not use any glue.
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martin(rockape) wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01 2022 23:59 -I screwed the clips into the foam ball and used very little glue.I think I've used too much glue or too strong a glue as the polystyrene has reacted/melted pushing the line clips out. So I'm going to see if I can fashion a paper clip to do the same job and not use any glue.
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Nige Johns wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12 2022 13:10 -Maybe you need to give him the "chop"?John Milford wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12 2022 12:57 -I’m not one to ham-bush a topic JohnNige Johns wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12 2022 11:50 -I'm not one to pass up any opportunity for a cringe-worthy quip Nige, but it seems you are even 'rasher' than me!davelumb wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12 2022 11:36 -I know it sounds a bit streaky but you could market it as the “Danish Drifter”Update:
White foam sheet takes car sprays well if you want something different.
And a 'bacon box' makes a nice float box to keep the drifter and vanes together. Plus other floats.
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but I’ve been to the doctors about my bacon addiction.he says I can be cured
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Re: Foamy small/shallow water drifter.
Nige Johns wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12 2022 11:50 -davelumb wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12 2022 11:36 -I know it sounds a bit streaky but you could market it as the “Danish Drifter”Update:
White foam sheet takes car sprays well if you want something different.
And a 'bacon box' makes a nice float box to keep the drifter and vanes together. Plus other floats.
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Re: Foamy small/shallow water drifter.
Are drifter float bodies round because they're more stable?
I made a couple with fairly chunky plastic sails & regular inline sliders. I had to upgrade to absolutely ENORMOUS floats to keep them upright.
The vane's like a lever acting against the bouyancy of the float, I think. And the roundness of the float kind of provides another lever essentially acting on another axis. But then my brain melted trying to work out what that all means and I had to have a cup of tea.
I made a couple with fairly chunky plastic sails & regular inline sliders. I had to upgrade to absolutely ENORMOUS floats to keep them upright.
The vane's like a lever acting against the bouyancy of the float, I think. And the roundness of the float kind of provides another lever essentially acting on another axis. But then my brain melted trying to work out what that all means and I had to have a cup of tea.
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JoeNickel wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12 2022 00:02 -I think they're just made the way they are for convenience. But the lack of buoyancy in the stem might help overcome the tipping effect of the wind on the vane?Are drifter float bodies round because they're more stable?
I made a couple with fairly chunky plastic sails & regular inline sliders. I had to upgrade to absolutely ENORMOUS floats to keep them upright.
The vane's like a lever acting against the bouyancy of the float, I think. And the roundness of the float kind of provides another lever essentially acting on another axis. But then my brain melted trying to work out what that all means and I had to have a cup of tea.
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davelumb wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12 2022 09:31 -Aaaah, yeah, that's it. My floats work fine in the end, but they're like enormous great Volvos. I wanted something less fragile than the Fox ones, which broke on its maiden voyage. I'm away for a couple of weeks, will post a pic when I'm home...JoeNickel wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12 2022 00:02 -I think they're just made the way they are for convenience. But the lack of buoyancy in the stem might help overcome the tipping effect of the wind on the vane?Are drifter float bodies round because they're more stable?
I made a couple with fairly chunky plastic sails & regular inline sliders. I had to upgrade to absolutely ENORMOUS floats to keep them upright.
The vane's like a lever acting against the bouyancy of the float, I think. And the roundness of the float kind of provides another lever essentially acting on another axis. But then my brain melted trying to work out what that all means and I had to have a cup of tea.
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Re: Foamy small/shallow water drifter.
Where do you get your foam eggs from Dave?
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