Live baits.
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Live baits.
Every time I cast a live bait out with a float. It always seems to come back towards the raft. Does anyone else have this problem?
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Re: Live baits.
Try and keep it on a tight line, invariably they pull against resistance that said , Iโve had a lot of takes from a yard away from the boat
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Re: Live baits.
suffolk si wrote: โSun Jul 05 2020 14:51 -Makes sense. Nice one!Try and keep it on a tight line, invariably they pull against resistance that said , Iโve had a lot of takes from a yard away from the boat
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Re: Live baits.
How about using a drifter float and using the wind to push it away from you? A dart flight glued into the top of a float may be enough to do the job
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Re: Live baits.
Loads of options.
Dont cast it, just drop it off the back when your going along.
Greased/floating line on the suface allowed to ceate a big bow by the wind will usually provide a drag sufficient to overpower most normal sized baits. The method works the same as a drifer float its just quicker to set-up. Dont buy floatant, just try any natural grease you have eg; butter or lard.
As has been said baits will usually swim away from resistance, so by changing the hook placement you can usually get a bait to swim where you like., a skill you will need for when you graduate to jack baits.
Dont cast it, just drop it off the back when your going along.
Greased/floating line on the suface allowed to ceate a big bow by the wind will usually provide a drag sufficient to overpower most normal sized baits. The method works the same as a drifer float its just quicker to set-up. Dont buy floatant, just try any natural grease you have eg; butter or lard.
As has been said baits will usually swim away from resistance, so by changing the hook placement you can usually get a bait to swim where you like., a skill you will need for when you graduate to jack baits.
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Re: Live baits.
Jack baits Mike? Using a pike as bait?
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Re: Live baits.
CD Rig ;-)
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Re: Live baits.
Jason Skilton wrote: โMon Jul 06 2020 11:34 -Hello mate. Thanks for the tip. Could you be a little more specific. I searched google and the best I can come up with is Colin Davidson rig. But no images .CD Rig ;-)
Thanks in advance.
Jamie
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Re: Live baits.
Jagermaster wrote: โMon Jul 06 2020 14:50 -I didn't even know there was such a thing as a Colin Davidson rig! Anyway, it's bound to have a boilie on the end of it. What you're looking for is a rig designed by another Colin - Colin Dyson.Jason Skilton wrote: โMon Jul 06 2020 11:34 -Hello mate. Thanks for the tip. Could you be a little more specific. I searched google and the best I can come up with is Colin Davidson rig. But no images .CD Rig ;-)
Thanks in advance.
Jamie
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Re: Live baits.
Steve Dennington wrote: โMon Jul 06 2020 16:27 -Thank you!Jagermaster wrote: โMon Jul 06 2020 14:50 -I didn't even know there was such a thing as a Colin Davidson rig! Anyway, it's bound to have a boilie on the end of it. What you're looking for is a rig designed by another Colin - Colin Dyson.Jason Skilton wrote: โMon Jul 06 2020 11:34 -Hello mate. Thanks for the tip. Could you be a little more specific. I searched google and the best I can come up with is Colin Davidson rig. But no images .CD Rig ;-)
Thanks in advance.
Jamie
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Re: Live baits.
Jagermaster wrote: โMon Jul 06 2020 09:55 -Jack baits Mike? Using a pike as bait?
No, of course not
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Re: Live baits.
Steve Dennington wrote: โMon Jul 06 2020 16:27 -Jagermaster wrote: โMon Jul 06 2020 14:50 -I didn't even know there was such a thing as a Colin Davidson rig! Anyway, it's bound to have a boilie on the end of it. What you're looking for is a rig designed by another Colin - Colin Dyson.Jason Skilton wrote: โMon Jul 06 2020 11:34 -Hello mate. Thanks for the tip. Could you be a little more specific. I searched google and the best I can come up with is Colin Davidson rig. But no images .CD Rig ;-)
Thanks in advance.
Jamie
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Yup the Colin Dyson rig......
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Re: Live baits.
Great rig for fishing livies for eel, perch, pike, and zander
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Re: Live baits.
"lead and the bait land seperately."
And neither where you want them!
I tried CD rigs when they were first written about and never found them any use whatsoever. For fishing over rocky ledges into deep water they are actually a liability - a standard sunk float rig can have the float set above the ledge to keep the line off it, a CD rig can't and the line goes through the rocks on the ledge.
Tie your paternoster link to the trace and you don't get tangles, get casting accuracy and distance. Plus it's dead simple and can be quickly swapped to other presentations. CD rig is a one trick pony.
I know the rig has its fans but I'm not one of them!
And neither where you want them!
I tried CD rigs when they were first written about and never found them any use whatsoever. For fishing over rocky ledges into deep water they are actually a liability - a standard sunk float rig can have the float set above the ledge to keep the line off it, a CD rig can't and the line goes through the rocks on the ledge.
Tie your paternoster link to the trace and you don't get tangles, get casting accuracy and distance. Plus it's dead simple and can be quickly swapped to other presentations. CD rig is a one trick pony.
I know the rig has its fans but I'm not one of them!
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Re: Live baits.
davelumb wrote: โMon Jul 27 2020 07:53 -You then tighten down to the lead after the cast"lead and the bait land seperately."
And neither where you want them!
I tried CD rigs when they were first written about and never found them any use whatsoever. For fishing over rocky ledges into deep water they are actually a liability - a standard sunk float rig can have the float set above the ledge to keep the line off it, a CD rig can't and the line goes through the rocks on the ledge.
Tie your paternoster link to the trace and you don't get tangles, get casting accuracy and distance. Plus it's dead simple and can be quickly swapped to other presentations. CD rig is a one trick pony.
I know the rig has its fans but I'm not one of them!
Like any rig it has its limitations whether it is rocky bottom or silty bottom, but as a rig fan, I'll continue to use it.
I also do use the standard pat rig for other circumstances particularly on the rivers or when fishing the margins.
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Re: Live baits.
Jason Skilton wrote: โMon Jul 27 2020 10:05 -I know you tighten to the lead, but that's no good when the lead is in the wrong place!davelumb wrote: โMon Jul 27 2020 07:53 -You then tighten down to the lead after the cast"lead and the bait land seperately."
And neither where you want them!
I tried CD rigs when they were first written about and never found them any use whatsoever. For fishing over rocky ledges into deep water they are actually a liability - a standard sunk float rig can have the float set above the ledge to keep the line off it, a CD rig can't and the line goes through the rocks on the ledge.
Tie your paternoster link to the trace and you don't get tangles, get casting accuracy and distance. Plus it's dead simple and can be quickly swapped to other presentations. CD rig is a one trick pony.
I know the rig has its fans but I'm not one of them!
Like any rig it has its limitations whether it is rocky bottom or silty bottom, but as a rig fan, I'll continue to use it.
I also do use the standard pat rig for other circumstances particularly on the rivers or when fishing the margins.
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Re: Live baits.
Sunken float helicopter rig for me as my Paternoster choice all day (and night) long.
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Re: Live baits.
For my momey free roving livebaits either get immediate attention from a pred or they end up sitting doggo in one spot, or as you say drifting back towards you. I wouldnt worry too much about that. If there's a pike anywhere near in feeding mode it will invairably hit the bait within a minute or two. If not I'd move along and try another spot, or leger it and wait.
A bit of bouyancy attached to a legered live-bait should keep it working as it tries to lay low.
A bit of bouyancy attached to a legered live-bait should keep it working as it tries to lay low.
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