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Re: paternoster rigs ?

Post by alfredpike123 » Tue Jan 05 2021 12:51

John Roberts paternoster booms.....anybody???

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Re: paternoster rigs ?

Post by Mike J » Tue Jan 05 2021 15:13

Fitas wrote:
I do well fishing deads on suken paternoster on stillwaters always on one of my rods . Like been said make sure it separate's when hitting the water . Do you guys us heavy leads and lock up tight I try and get a nice balance

Nothing is tight or locked up.
I try and use a stone I pick up off the bank, it not the smallest weight I use is a 6mm hex nut, or 1oz bomb. the largest just under 2oz.
I just use enough tension for the float to lay at 45degrees and hold the line under a rubber band or 1" O ring.

My aim is to be as natural as possible which is why I only use a single BB swivel on the trace and a tiny two hole Roberts bead for the pat link, weights are attached using a snare of a 2" loop tied in the light mono.
I only use 4" poly sea floats* because are cheap, almost indestructible and last forever.

* the floats with the tube that extends above and below the body.

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Re: paternoster rigs ?

Post by Stewlaws » Tue Jan 05 2021 17:37

alfredpike123 wrote:
John Roberts paternoster booms.....anybody???
I have a few packs as a back up ...but against the greys paternoster they are small and certainly not my go to whilst I'm still able to use the greys.

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Re: paternoster rigs ?

Post by Taylorgilder » Tue Jan 05 2021 20:00

Found the JR pat booms will tangle on occasion, and too many times for me .....simple is best and more or less tangle free , tie the link to your trace a few inches above the top hook = sorted .

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Re: paternoster rigs ?

Post by alfredpike123 » Wed Jan 06 2021 22:48

Mike J wrote:
Fitas wrote:
I do well fishing deads on suken paternoster on stillwaters always on one of my rods . Like been said make sure it separate's when hitting the water . Do you guys us heavy leads and lock up tight I try and get a nice balance

Nothing is tight or locked up.
I try and use a stone I pick up off the bank, it not the smallest weight I use is a 6mm hex nut, or 1oz bomb. the largest just under 2oz.
I just use enough tension for the float to lay at 45degrees and hold the line under a rubber band or 1" O ring.

My aim is to be as natural as possible which is why I only use a single BB swivel on the trace and a tiny two hole Roberts bead for the pat link, weights are attached using a snare of a 2" loop tied in the light mono.
I only use 4" poly sea floats* because are cheap, almost indestructible and last forever.

* the floats with the tube that extends above and below the body.

.
Do you put theJR bead free running on a uptrace,is the sunk float fixed. :scratch:

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Re: paternoster rigs ?

Post by Mike J » Thu Jan 07 2021 08:26

alfredpike123 wrote:
Mike J wrote:
Fitas wrote:
I do well fishing deads on suken paternoster on stillwaters always on one of my rods . Like been said make sure it separate's when hitting the water . Do you guys us heavy leads and lock up tight I try and get a nice balance

Nothing is tight or locked up.
I try and use a stone I pick up off the bank, it not the smallest weight I use is a 6mm hex nut, or 1oz bomb. the largest just under 2oz.
I just use enough tension for the float to lay at 45degrees and hold the line under a rubber band or 1" O ring.

My aim is to be as natural as possible which is why I only use a single BB swivel on the trace and a tiny two hole Roberts bead for the pat link, weights are attached using a snare of a 2" loop tied in the light mono.
I only use 4" poly sea floats* because are cheap, almost indestructible and last forever.

* the floats with the tube that extends above and below the body.

.
Do you put theJR bead free running on a uptrace,is the sunk float fixed. :scratch:


Sorry if I did not make my set-up clear.
The JR bead is free to slide between the swivel and the bottom of the float.
The float is free sliding above the JR bead up to the stop knot/float stop setting the depth of the rig. I sometimes use another stop below the float to limit the movement of the bait or retain the float should the line break.

My trace is homemade from Masons 45lb wire and 3ft long, my reel line is 60lb Spiderwire braid. Do not use an uptrace.
FYI I started fishing baits in 1960/61 and have only ever had one bite-off.

Hope this helps.
Any problems comeback :handshake:

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Re: paternoster rigs ?

Post by alfredpike123 » Thu Jan 07 2021 08:39

Mike J wrote:
alfredpike123 wrote:
Mike J wrote:
Fitas wrote:
I do well fishing deads on suken paternoster on stillwaters always on one of my rods . Like been said make sure it separate's when hitting the water . Do you guys us heavy leads and lock up tight I try and get a nice balance

Nothing is tight or locked up.
I try and use a stone I pick up off the bank, it not the smallest weight I use is a 6mm hex nut, or 1oz bomb. the largest just under 2oz.
I just use enough tension for the float to lay at 45degrees and hold the line under a rubber band or 1" O ring.

My aim is to be as natural as possible which is why I only use a single BB swivel on the trace and a tiny two hole Roberts bead for the pat link, weights are attached using a snare of a 2" loop tied in the light mono.
I only use 4" poly sea floats* because are cheap, almost indestructible and last forever.

* the floats with the tube that extends above and below the body.

.
Do you put theJR bead free running on a uptrace,is the sunk float fixed. :scratch:
:thumbs:



Sorry if I did not make my set-up clear.
The JR bead is free to slide between the swivel and the bottom of the float.
The float is free sliding above the JR bead up to the stop knot/float stop setting the depth of the rig. I sometimes use another stop below the float to limit the movement of the bait or retain the float should the line break.

My trace is homemade from Masons 45lb wire and 3ft long, my reel line is 60lb Spiderwire braid. Do not use an uptrace.
FYI I started fishing baits in 1960/61 and have only ever had one bite-off.

Hope this helps.
Any problems comeback :handshake:

.

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Re: paternoster rigs ?

Post by Jellybait » Thu Jan 07 2021 13:41

Duncan Holmes wrote:
Sliding float, set just over depth, tie bomb link to top treble, cast out, Overhead will work with this rig, fish it as Mike describes (but use ratchet instead of rubber band)

Its simple, tangle proof, as bite off proof as you are going to get, and very effective for deads, lives, still or running water.

Any other paternoster rig I have I ever seen just designs in risk of tangles and bite off's and then add more bits to try to get over the problem it created for itself.
HI Duncan , do you have a pic or diagram of that rig as i cant seem to get my head around it .thanks Donan

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Re: paternoster rigs ?

Post by alfredpike123 » Thu Jan 07 2021 13:55

Mike J wrote:
alfredpike123 wrote:
Mike J wrote:
Fitas wrote:
I do well fishing deads on suken paternoster on stillwaters always on one of my rods . Like been said make sure it separate's when hitting the water . Do you guys us heavy leads and lock up tight I try and get a nice balance

Nothing is tight or locked up.
I try and use a stone I pick up off the bank, it not the smallest weight I use is a 6mm hex nut, or 1oz bomb. the largest just under 2oz.
I just use enough tension for the float to lay at 45degrees and hold the line under a rubber band or 1" O ring.

My aim is to be as natural as possible which is why I only use a single BB swivel on the trace and a tiny two hole Roberts bead for the pat link, weights are attached using a snare of a 2" loop tied in the light mono.
I only use 4" poly sea floats* because are cheap, almost indestructible and last forever.

* the floats with the tube that extends above and below the body.

.
Do you put theJR bead free running on a uptrace,is the sunk float fixed. :scratch:
:thumbs:


Sorry if I did not make my set-up clear.
The JR bead is free to slide between the swivel and the bottom of the float.
The float is free sliding above the JR bead up to the stop knot/float stop setting the depth of the rig. I sometimes use another stop below the float to limit the movement of the bait or retain the float should the line break.

My trace is homemade from Masons 45lb wire and 3ft long, my reel line is 60lb Spiderwire braid. Do not use an uptrace.
FYI I started fishing baits in 1960/61 and have only ever had one bite-off.

Hope this helps.
Any problems comeback :handshake:

.

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Re: paternoster rigs ?

Post by GAVIN H » Tue Jan 12 2021 19:17

davelumb wrote:
Fentiger01 wrote:
davelumb wrote:
stickman wrote:
OK I just dont get it. Every picture of a paternoster rig shows a trace or a bit of line going off at an angle. Which is great in a river but surely the bait will just hang down next to the mainline in a still water. This could cause tangles and even worse a pike might bite through the mainline. How does one set up a paternoster rig to work in still water?
I don't know what your problem is.

You cast a paternoster out, tighten up to the float and set the indicator. Simple.

The line from rod tip to trace and the paternoster link to the lead will be at an angle with the bait hanging down and slightly away from the paternoster link.
My favourite rig of all time is a livebait fished on a sunken-float paternoster, fished with an up-trace utilising a very simple 'helicopter' rig. Very, very simple and very, very good. The sunken-float fished to a bite alarm and drop-off indicator ensures the rod is direct to the rig and reduces any slight slack that may be caused by the tip being direct to a float, which is then in turn, subsequently direct to the rig (if that makes sense). The rig I use was taken from Steve Younger's excellent 'Fenland Zander' book from way back in the day (1996), page 51, fig 2.

The only thing I do differently is use a cigar shaped sunken float, I've feel you can get away with a bigger float without making the rig seem a bit sea-fishing like. I don't remember many, if any tangles with this rig and using a stiffer, heavier grade (I preferred titanium) up-trace, I certainly don't recall any bite offs.
:thumbs:

My first choice livey rig forbank fishing in the Lakes (when you could still use livies) was the SFP. I tied the pat link to the top hook (as I always do for pat rigs) and used a 1.75in poly ball as the float. Set thefloat high enough to keep line off any marginal ledge and deep enough to avoid wave action.
When you say the top hook Dave, do you mean to the treble furthest from the trace swivel?

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Re: paternoster rigs ?

Post by davelumb » Tue Jan 12 2021 19:27

GAVIN H wrote:
davelumb wrote:
Fentiger01 wrote:
davelumb wrote:
stickman wrote:
OK I just dont get it. Every picture of a paternoster rig shows a trace or a bit of line going off at an angle. Which is great in a river but surely the bait will just hang down next to the mainline in a still water. This could cause tangles and even worse a pike might bite through the mainline. How does one set up a paternoster rig to work in still water?
I don't know what your problem is.

You cast a paternoster out, tighten up to the float and set the indicator. Simple.

The line from rod tip to trace and the paternoster link to the lead will be at an angle with the bait hanging down and slightly away from the paternoster link.
My favourite rig of all time is a livebait fished on a sunken-float paternoster, fished with an up-trace utilising a very simple 'helicopter' rig. Very, very simple and very, very good. The sunken-float fished to a bite alarm and drop-off indicator ensures the rod is direct to the rig and reduces any slight slack that may be caused by the tip being direct to a float, which is then in turn, subsequently direct to the rig (if that makes sense). The rig I use was taken from Steve Younger's excellent 'Fenland Zander' book from way back in the day (1996), page 51, fig 2.

The only thing I do differently is use a cigar shaped sunken float, I've feel you can get away with a bigger float without making the rig seem a bit sea-fishing like. I don't remember many, if any tangles with this rig and using a stiffer, heavier grade (I preferred titanium) up-trace, I certainly don't recall any bite offs.
:thumbs:

My first choice livey rig forbank fishing in the Lakes (when you could still use livies) was the SFP. I tied the pat link to the top hook (as I always do for pat rigs) and used a 1.75in poly ball as the float. Set thefloat high enough to keep line off any marginal ledge and deep enough to avoid wave action.
When you say the top hook Dave, do you mean to the treble furthest from the trace swivel?
The one nearest the swivel is the top hook. The one at the end of the trace is the bottom hook.

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Re: paternoster rigs ?

Post by GAVIN H » Tue Jan 12 2021 23:22

davelumb wrote:
GAVIN H wrote:
davelumb wrote:
Fentiger01 wrote:
davelumb wrote:
stickman wrote:
OK I just dont get it. Every picture of a paternoster rig shows a trace or a bit of line going off at an angle. Which is great in a river but surely the bait will just hang down next to the mainline in a still water. This could cause tangles and even worse a pike might bite through the mainline. How does one set up a paternoster rig to work in still water?
I don't know what your problem is.

You cast a paternoster out, tighten up to the float and set the indicator. Simple.

The line from rod tip to trace and the paternoster link to the lead will be at an angle with the bait hanging down and slightly away from the paternoster link.
My favourite rig of all time is a livebait fished on a sunken-float paternoster, fished with an up-trace utilising a very simple 'helicopter' rig. Very, very simple and very, very good. The sunken-float fished to a bite alarm and drop-off indicator ensures the rod is direct to the rig and reduces any slight slack that may be caused by the tip being direct to a float, which is then in turn, subsequently direct to the rig (if that makes sense). The rig I use was taken from Steve Younger's excellent 'Fenland Zander' book from way back in the day (1996), page 51, fig 2.

The only thing I do differently is use a cigar shaped sunken float, I've feel you can get away with a bigger float without making the rig seem a bit sea-fishing like. I don't remember many, if any tangles with this rig and using a stiffer, heavier grade (I preferred titanium) up-trace, I certainly don't recall any bite offs.
:thumbs:

My first choice livey rig forbank fishing in the Lakes (when you could still use livies) was the SFP. I tied the pat link to the top hook (as I always do for pat rigs) and used a 1.75in poly ball as the float. Set thefloat high enough to keep line off any marginal ledge and deep enough to avoid wave action.
When you say the top hook Dave, do you mean to the treble furthest from the trace swivel?
The one nearest the swivel is the top hook. The one at the end of the trace is the bottom hook.
:thumbs:

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