Bank retention.
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Bank retention.
I have a job coming up for one of my neighbors where they want the river bank retaining preventing further erosion.
I have a couple of options in my head including gabion baskets and wonder if any of you have previous experience in this kind of work? The water in the margins is 2ft deep so ok for waders!
Cheers, Alan
I have a couple of options in my head including gabion baskets and wonder if any of you have previous experience in this kind of work? The water in the margins is 2ft deep so ok for waders!
Cheers, Alan
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Re: Bank retention.
The correct name is gabion b******s, if you've ever installed them you'll know why!
Look at bank retentions on your local waterways, in a lot of cases the wash gets behind and can be even worse than natural erosion.
Try google
Look at bank retentions on your local waterways, in a lot of cases the wash gets behind and can be even worse than natural erosion.
Try google
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Re: Bank retention.
Bob Watson wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23 2024 09:50 -One of my other neighbors installed some gabions very successfully and very neatly so I could get him evolved if thats the we go.The correct name is gabion b******s, if you've ever installed them you'll know why!
Look at bank retentions on your local waterways, in a lot of cases the wash gets behind and can be even worse than natural erosion.
Try google
I have done some using timber in my own garden which has been successful and has lasted well being permanently wet. The wash is minimal but the lack of bankside plants being under the lodges causes the erosion.
Looking for other options and suggestions on here rather than being just pointed towards google as a form of pi55 take
Cheers, Alan
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Re: Bank retention.
cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23 2024 11:22 -No experience, however well aware bank erosion is a complex set of actions, whereby a positive may lead to a negative, we did rebuild a dam wall once with the best intentions, however the dam wall collapsed causing a flood in 2 properties .. The EA were not happy and made it clear we had breached guidelines how we were never sued is a mystery, though we never attempted a remedial as we had to prove structural drawings and other aspects from qualified people.Bob Watson wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23 2024 09:50 -One of my other neighbors installed some gabions very successfully and very neatly so I could get him evolved if thats the we go.The correct name is gabion b******s, if you've ever installed them you'll know why!
Look at bank retentions on your local waterways, in a lot of cases the wash gets behind and can be even worse than natural erosion.
Try google
I have done some using timber in my own garden which has been successful and has lasted well being permanently wet. The wash is minimal but the lack of bankside plants being under the lodges causes the erosion.
Looking for other options and suggestions on here rather than being just pointed towards google as a form of pi55 take
Cheers, Alan
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Re: Bank retention.
Stewlaws wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02 2024 09:47 -Thanks for that, Stewcookiesdaughtersdad wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23 2024 11:22 -No experience, however well aware bank erosion is a complex set of actions, whereby a positive may lead to a negative, we did rebuild a dam wall once with the best intentions, however the dam wall collapsed causing a flood in 2 properties .. The EA were not happy and made it clear we had breached guidelines how we were never sued is a mystery, though we never attempted a remedial as we had to prove structural drawings and other aspects from qualified people.Bob Watson wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23 2024 09:50 -One of my other neighbors installed some gabions very successfully and very neatly so I could get him evolved if thats the we go.The correct name is gabion b******s, if you've ever installed them you'll know why!
Look at bank retentions on your local waterways, in a lot of cases the wash gets behind and can be even worse than natural erosion.
Try google
I have done some using timber in my own garden which has been successful and has lasted well being permanently wet. The wash is minimal but the lack of bankside plants being under the lodges causes the erosion.
Looking for other options and suggestions on here rather than being just pointed towards google as a form of pi55 take
Cheers, Alan
After living by the water for 8 years now and being an angler for over 50, I have some understanding as to "the way of water" but certainly have very limited experience in bank retention other than the work I did under my lodge but that is partly held together with willow roots.
I did get some advice from an EA contact who said simple scaffold boards and wooden poles can serve a good purpose and when immersed, quite long lasting.
Cheers, Alan
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Re: Bank retention.
Alan a friend of mine planted some willow and the next year cut it partway through and bent it over and kept waving it together.
The 3rd year he back filled it and now it stops any wash from eroding the bank
Grant
The 3rd year he back filled it and now it stops any wash from eroding the bank
Grant
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Re: Bank retention.
Crackoff wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13 2024 23:37 -That sounds great mate, all natural like but the area in question is under a lodge so there is not enough light for the willow to grow.Alan a friend of mine planted some willow and the next year cut it partway through and bent it over and kept waving it together.
The 3rd year he back filled it and now it stops any wash from eroding the bank
Grant
Cheers, Alan
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Re: Bank retention.
cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14 2024 07:06 -Willow is very robust Alan cut it at an angle just below a leaf or sprout and shove it into the lake bed and it will grow,Crackoff wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13 2024 23:37 -That sounds great mate, all natural like but the area in question is under a lodge so there is not enough light for the willow to grow.Alan a friend of mine planted some willow and the next year cut it partway through and bent it over and kept waving it together.
The 3rd year he back filled it and now it stops any wash from eroding the bank
Grant
Cheers, Alan
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I know your tired fed up and close to braking
But theres strength within you even when you feel week
You've come too far to give up now
Stay strong and keep fighting
To that one soul reading this
I know your tired fed up and close to braking
But theres strength within you even when you feel week
You've come too far to give up now
Stay strong and keep fighting
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Re: Bank retention.
What about scaffold poles and sleepers, like they use for building swims,
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Re: Bank retention.
cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14 2024 07:06 -It’ll grow sure enough Alan, and all you need to do is cut a six inch stick from a willow tree and plug it in the ground.Crackoff wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13 2024 23:37 -That sounds great mate, all natural like but the area in question is under a lodge so there is not enough light for the willow to grow.Alan a friend of mine planted some willow and the next year cut it partway through and bent it over and kept waving it together.
The 3rd year he back filled it and now it stops any wash from eroding the bank
Grant
Cheers, Alan
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Re: Bank retention.
Chris Hammond wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31 2024 21:42 -Do you really think it will grow under the lodge with zero sunshine, Chris where nothing else grows?cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14 2024 07:06 -It’ll grow sure enough Alan, and all you need to do is cut a six inch stick from a willow tree and plug it in the ground.Crackoff wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13 2024 23:37 -That sounds great mate, all natural like but the area in question is under a lodge so there is not enough light for the willow to grow.Alan a friend of mine planted some willow and the next year cut it partway through and bent it over and kept waving it together.
The 3rd year he back filled it and now it stops any wash from eroding the bank
Grant
Cheers, Alan
Cheers, Alan
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Re: Bank retention.
cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: ↑Yesterday 07:06 -willows require maintainace for their live and yours!!!Chris Hammond wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31 2024 21:42 -Do you really think it will grow under the lodge with zero sunshine, Chris where nothing else grows?cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14 2024 07:06 -It’ll grow sure enough Alan, and all you need to do is cut a six inch stick from a willow tree and plug it in the ground.Crackoff wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13 2024 23:37 -That sounds great mate, all natural like but the area in question is under a lodge so there is not enough light for the willow to grow.Alan a friend of mine planted some willow and the next year cut it partway through and bent it over and kept waving it together.
The 3rd year he back filled it and now it stops any wash from eroding the bank
Grant
Cheers, Alan
Cheers, Alan
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Re: Bank retention.
Chris Hammond wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31 2024 21:42 -I stuck an 18 inch piece of willow branch in my garden this spring. It's over 6ft tall now. When I was a kid we used to cut pussy willow branches and put them in a vase of water. They started sprouting roots in no time.cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14 2024 07:06 -It’ll grow sure enough Alan, and all you need to do is cut a six inch stick from a willow tree and plug it in the ground.Crackoff wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13 2024 23:37 -That sounds great mate, all natural like but the area in question is under a lodge so there is not enough light for the willow to grow.Alan a friend of mine planted some willow and the next year cut it partway through and bent it over and kept waving it together.
The 3rd year he back filled it and now it stops any wash from eroding the bank
Grant
Cheers, Alan
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Re: Bank retention.
LB wrote: ↑Yesterday 10:39 -Would have been nice to have done that under the lodges when they were 1st built but you would never do it now with the available access.sheet piling.
I like the idea of the willow where the daylight gets.
Cheers, Alan
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Re: Bank retention.
cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: ↑Yesterday 07:06 -Yes probably, but why would you want to plant it under your lodge? I thought you were looking to shore up the bank Al?Chris Hammond wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31 2024 21:42 -Do you really think it will grow under the lodge with zero sunshine, Chris where nothing else grows?cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14 2024 07:06 -It’ll grow sure enough Alan, and all you need to do is cut a six inch stick from a willow tree and plug it in the ground.Crackoff wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13 2024 23:37 -That sounds great mate, all natural like but the area in question is under a lodge so there is not enough light for the willow to grow.Alan a friend of mine planted some willow and the next year cut it partway through and bent it over and kept waving it together.
The 3rd year he back filled it and now it stops any wash from eroding the bank
Grant
Cheers, Alan
Cheers, Alan
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Re: Bank retention.
davelumb wrote: ↑Yesterday 10:37 -I cut straight sticks for supporting the tomato plants in a grow bag. I had trees before I had tomatoes.Chris Hammond wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31 2024 21:42 -I stuck an 18 inch piece of willow branch in my garden this spring. It's over 6ft tall now. When I was a kid we used to cut pussy willow branches and put them in a vase of water. They started sprouting roots in no time.cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14 2024 07:06 -It’ll grow sure enough Alan, and all you need to do is cut a six inch stick from a willow tree and plug it in the ground.Crackoff wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13 2024 23:37 -That sounds great mate, all natural like but the area in question is under a lodge so there is not enough light for the willow to grow.Alan a friend of mine planted some willow and the next year cut it partway through and bent it over and kept waving it together.
The 3rd year he back filled it and now it stops any wash from eroding the bank
Grant
Cheers, Alan
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Re: Bank retention.
cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: ↑Yesterday 10:59 -What about getting some large rocks, might be tricky with poor access but it is a natural alternative.
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Re: Bank retention.
Chris Hammond wrote: ↑Yesterday 11:19 -Our lodge is on stilts and jetty's out over the water making most of our lounge over the water.cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: ↑Yesterday 07:06 -Yes probably, but why would you want to plant it under your lodge? I thought you were looking to shore up the bank Al?Chris Hammond wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31 2024 21:42 -Do you really think it will grow under the lodge with zero sunshine, Chris where nothing else grows?cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14 2024 07:06 -It’ll grow sure enough Alan, and all you need to do is cut a six inch stick from a willow tree and plug it in the ground.Crackoff wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13 2024 23:37 -That sounds great mate, all natural like but the area in question is under a lodge so there is not enough light for the willow to grow.Alan a friend of mine planted some willow and the next year cut it partway through and bent it over and kept waving it together.
The 3rd year he back filled it and now it stops any wash from eroding the bank
Grant
Cheers, Alan
Cheers, Alan
Cheers, Alan
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Re: Bank retention.
cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: ↑Yesterday 15:19 -Do you not pay an annual maintenance fee, most properties such as yours demand such a fee for maintenance???Chris Hammond wrote: ↑Yesterday 11:19 -Our lodge is on stilts and jetty's out over the water making most of our lounge over the water.cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: ↑Yesterday 07:06 -Yes probably, but why would you want to plant it under your lodge? I thought you were looking to shore up the bank Al?Chris Hammond wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31 2024 21:42 -Do you really think it will grow under the lodge with zero sunshine, Chris where nothing else grows?cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14 2024 07:06 -It’ll grow sure enough Alan, and all you need to do is cut a six inch stick from a willow tree and plug it in the ground.Crackoff wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13 2024 23:37 -That sounds great mate, all natural like but the area in question is under a lodge so there is not enough light for the willow to grow.Alan a friend of mine planted some willow and the next year cut it partway through and bent it over and kept waving it together.
The 3rd year he back filled it and now it stops any wash from eroding the bank
Grant
Cheers, Alan
Cheers, Alan
Cheers, Alan
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Re: Bank retention.
cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: ↑Yesterday 15:19 -Was the bank not retained before your lodge was built?Chris Hammond wrote: ↑Yesterday 11:19 -Our lodge is on stilts and jetty's out over the water making most of our lounge over the water.cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: ↑Yesterday 07:06 -Yes probably, but why would you want to plant it under your lodge? I thought you were looking to shore up the bank Al?Chris Hammond wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31 2024 21:42 -Do you really think it will grow under the lodge with zero sunshine, Chris where nothing else grows?cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14 2024 07:06 -It’ll grow sure enough Alan, and all you need to do is cut a six inch stick from a willow tree and plug it in the ground.Crackoff wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13 2024 23:37 -That sounds great mate, all natural like but the area in question is under a lodge so there is not enough light for the willow to grow.Alan a friend of mine planted some willow and the next year cut it partway through and bent it over and kept waving it together.
The 3rd year he back filled it and now it stops any wash from eroding the bank
Grant
Cheers, Alan
Cheers, Alan
Cheers, Alan
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Re: Bank retention.
davelumb wrote: ↑Yesterday 17:43 -Not they skipped that bit probably to save money.cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: ↑Yesterday 15:19 -Was the bank not retained before your lodge was built?Chris Hammond wrote: ↑Yesterday 11:19 -Our lodge is on stilts and jetty's out over the water making most of our lounge over the water.cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: ↑Yesterday 07:06 -Yes probably, but why would you want to plant it under your lodge? I thought you were looking to shore up the bank Al?Chris Hammond wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31 2024 21:42 -Do you really think it will grow under the lodge with zero sunshine, Chris where nothing else grows?cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14 2024 07:06 -It’ll grow sure enough Alan, and all you need to do is cut a six inch stick from a willow tree and plug it in the ground.Crackoff wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13 2024 23:37 -That sounds great mate, all natural like but the area in question is under a lodge so there is not enough light for the willow to grow.Alan a friend of mine planted some willow and the next year cut it partway through and bent it over and kept waving it together.
The 3rd year he back filled it and now it stops any wash from eroding the bank
Grant
Cheers, Alan
Cheers, Alan
Cheers, Alan
Cheers, Alan
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Re: Bank retention.
Bob Watson wrote: ↑Yesterday 17:11 -We do, Bob but the current freeholder-landlord would need a hell of a legal push to spend any money, but thats the short story of a much longer tale!cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: ↑Yesterday 15:19 -Do you not pay an annual maintenance fee, most properties such as yours demand such a fee for maintenance???Chris Hammond wrote: ↑Yesterday 11:19 -Our lodge is on stilts and jetty's out over the water making most of our lounge over the water.cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: ↑Yesterday 07:06 -Yes probably, but why would you want to plant it under your lodge? I thought you were looking to shore up the bank Al?Chris Hammond wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31 2024 21:42 -Do you really think it will grow under the lodge with zero sunshine, Chris where nothing else grows?cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14 2024 07:06 -It’ll grow sure enough Alan, and all you need to do is cut a six inch stick from a willow tree and plug it in the ground.Crackoff wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13 2024 23:37 -That sounds great mate, all natural like but the area in question is under a lodge so there is not enough light for the willow to grow.Alan a friend of mine planted some willow and the next year cut it partway through and bent it over and kept waving it together.
The 3rd year he back filled it and now it stops any wash from eroding the bank
Grant
Cheers, Alan
Cheers, Alan
Cheers, Alan
Cheers, Alan
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Re: Bank retention.
cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: ↑Yesterday 19:37 -Bloody cowboy builders!davelumb wrote: ↑Yesterday 17:43 -Not they skipped that bit probably to save money.cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: ↑Yesterday 15:19 -Was the bank not retained before your lodge was built?Chris Hammond wrote: ↑Yesterday 11:19 -Our lodge is on stilts and jetty's out over the water making most of our lounge over the water.cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: ↑Yesterday 07:06 -Yes probably, but why would you want to plant it under your lodge? I thought you were looking to shore up the bank Al?Chris Hammond wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31 2024 21:42 -Do you really think it will grow under the lodge with zero sunshine, Chris where nothing else grows?cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14 2024 07:06 -It’ll grow sure enough Alan, and all you need to do is cut a six inch stick from a willow tree and plug it in the ground.Crackoff wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13 2024 23:37 -That sounds great mate, all natural like but the area in question is under a lodge so there is not enough light for the willow to grow.Alan a friend of mine planted some willow and the next year cut it partway through and bent it over and kept waving it together.
The 3rd year he back filled it and now it stops any wash from eroding the bank
Grant
Cheers, Alan
Cheers, Alan
Cheers, Alan
Cheers, Alan
Willow might not need direct sunlight to grow. But as someone said, it will need work to make for good bank retention. Hope you get it sorted one way or another.
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Re: Bank retention.
davelumb wrote: ↑Yesterday 19:43 -Thanks, Dave the bank has eroded 4ft over the last 23 years since the lodge was built but it does make for a nice marginal drop off!cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: ↑Yesterday 19:37 -Bloody cowboy builders!davelumb wrote: ↑Yesterday 17:43 -Not they skipped that bit probably to save money.cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: ↑Yesterday 15:19 -Was the bank not retained before your lodge was built?Chris Hammond wrote: ↑Yesterday 11:19 -Our lodge is on stilts and jetty's out over the water making most of our lounge over the water.cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: ↑Yesterday 07:06 -Yes probably, but why would you want to plant it under your lodge? I thought you were looking to shore up the bank Al?Chris Hammond wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31 2024 21:42 -Do you really think it will grow under the lodge with zero sunshine, Chris where nothing else grows?cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14 2024 07:06 -It’ll grow sure enough Alan, and all you need to do is cut a six inch stick from a willow tree and plug it in the ground.Crackoff wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13 2024 23:37 -That sounds great mate, all natural like but the area in question is under a lodge so there is not enough light for the willow to grow.Alan a friend of mine planted some willow and the next year cut it partway through and bent it over and kept waving it together.
The 3rd year he back filled it and now it stops any wash from eroding the bank
Grant
Cheers, Alan
Cheers, Alan
Cheers, Alan
Cheers, Alan
Willow might not need direct sunlight to grow. But as someone said, it will need work to make for good bank retention. Hope you get it sorted one way or another.
Cheers, Alan
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Re: Bank retention.
cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: ↑Yesterday 19:48 -That sounds a fair bit. I wouldn't have thought there would be much flow to cause erosion.davelumb wrote: ↑Yesterday 19:43 -Thanks, Dave the bank has eroded 4ft over the last 23 years since the lodge was built but it does make for a nice marginal drop off!cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: ↑Yesterday 19:37 -Bloody cowboy builders!davelumb wrote: ↑Yesterday 17:43 -Not they skipped that bit probably to save money.cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: ↑Yesterday 15:19 -Was the bank not retained before your lodge was built?Chris Hammond wrote: ↑Yesterday 11:19 -Our lodge is on stilts and jetty's out over the water making most of our lounge over the water.cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: ↑Yesterday 07:06 -Yes probably, but why would you want to plant it under your lodge? I thought you were looking to shore up the bank Al?Chris Hammond wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31 2024 21:42 -Do you really think it will grow under the lodge with zero sunshine, Chris where nothing else grows?cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14 2024 07:06 -It’ll grow sure enough Alan, and all you need to do is cut a six inch stick from a willow tree and plug it in the ground.Crackoff wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13 2024 23:37 -That sounds great mate, all natural like but the area in question is under a lodge so there is not enough light for the willow to grow.Alan a friend of mine planted some willow and the next year cut it partway through and bent it over and kept waving it together.
The 3rd year he back filled it and now it stops any wash from eroding the bank
Grant
Cheers, Alan
Cheers, Alan
Cheers, Alan
Cheers, Alan
Willow might not need direct sunlight to grow. But as someone said, it will need work to make for good bank retention. Hope you get it sorted one way or another.
Cheers, Alan