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I have a job coming up for one of my neighbors where they want the river bank retaining preventing further erosion.
I have a couple of options in my head including gabion baskets and wonder if any of you have previous experience in this kind of work? The water in the margins is 2ft deep so ok for waders!

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The correct name is gabion b******s, if you've ever installed them you'll know why!

Look at bank retentions on your local waterways, in a lot of cases the wash gets behind and can be even worse than natural erosion.

Try google :wink:
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Bob Watson wrote: Sun Jun 23 2024 09:50 -
The correct name is gabion b******s, if you've ever installed them you'll know why!

Look at bank retentions on your local waterways, in a lot of cases the wash gets behind and can be even worse than natural erosion.

Try google :wink:
One of my other neighbors installed some gabions very successfully and very neatly so I could get him evolved if thats the we go.
I have done some using timber in my own garden which has been successful and has lasted well being permanently wet. The wash is minimal but the lack of bankside plants being under the lodges causes the erosion.
Looking for other options and suggestions on here rather than being just pointed towards google as a form of pi55 take :wink:

Cheers, Alan
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cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: Sun Jun 23 2024 11:22 -
Bob Watson wrote: Sun Jun 23 2024 09:50 -
The correct name is gabion b******s, if you've ever installed them you'll know why!

Look at bank retentions on your local waterways, in a lot of cases the wash gets behind and can be even worse than natural erosion.

Try google :wink:
One of my other neighbors installed some gabions very successfully and very neatly so I could get him evolved if thats the we go.
I have done some using timber in my own garden which has been successful and has lasted well being permanently wet. The wash is minimal but the lack of bankside plants being under the lodges causes the erosion.
Looking for other options and suggestions on here rather than being just pointed towards google as a form of pi55 take :wink:

Cheers, Alan
No experience, however well aware bank erosion is a complex set of actions, whereby a positive may lead to a negative, we did rebuild a dam wall once with the best intentions, however the dam wall collapsed causing a flood in 2 properties .. The EA were not happy and made it clear we had breached guidelines how we were never sued is a mystery, though we never attempted a remedial as we had to prove structural drawings and other aspects from qualified people.
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Stewlaws wrote: Fri Aug 02 2024 09:47 -
cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: Sun Jun 23 2024 11:22 -
Bob Watson wrote: Sun Jun 23 2024 09:50 -
The correct name is gabion b******s, if you've ever installed them you'll know why!

Look at bank retentions on your local waterways, in a lot of cases the wash gets behind and can be even worse than natural erosion.

Try google :wink:
One of my other neighbors installed some gabions very successfully and very neatly so I could get him evolved if thats the we go.
I have done some using timber in my own garden which has been successful and has lasted well being permanently wet. The wash is minimal but the lack of bankside plants being under the lodges causes the erosion.
Looking for other options and suggestions on here rather than being just pointed towards google as a form of pi55 take :wink:

Cheers, Alan
No experience, however well aware bank erosion is a complex set of actions, whereby a positive may lead to a negative, we did rebuild a dam wall once with the best intentions, however the dam wall collapsed causing a flood in 2 properties .. The EA were not happy and made it clear we had breached guidelines how we were never sued is a mystery, though we never attempted a remedial as we had to prove structural drawings and other aspects from qualified people.
Thanks for that, Stew :thumbs:

After living by the water for 8 years now and being an angler for over 50, I have some understanding as to "the way of water" :laughs: but certainly have very limited experience in bank retention other than the work I did under my lodge but that is partly held together with willow roots.
I did get some advice from an EA contact who said simple scaffold boards and wooden poles can serve a good purpose and when immersed, quite long lasting.

Cheers, Alan
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Alan a friend of mine planted some willow and the next year cut it partway through and bent it over and kept waving it together.

The 3rd year he back filled it and now it stops any wash from eroding the bank :wink:

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Crackoff wrote: Tue Aug 13 2024 23:37 -
Alan a friend of mine planted some willow and the next year cut it partway through and bent it over and kept waving it together.

The 3rd year he back filled it and now it stops any wash from eroding the bank :wink:

Grant :smile:
That sounds great mate, all natural like but the area in question is under a lodge so there is not enough light for the willow to grow.

Cheers, Alan
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cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: Wed Aug 14 2024 07:06 -
Crackoff wrote: Tue Aug 13 2024 23:37 -
Alan a friend of mine planted some willow and the next year cut it partway through and bent it over and kept waving it together.

The 3rd year he back filled it and now it stops any wash from eroding the bank :wink:

Grant :smile:
That sounds great mate, all natural like but the area in question is under a lodge so there is not enough light for the willow to grow.

Cheers, Alan
Willow is very robust Alan cut it at an angle just below a leaf or sprout and shove it into the lake bed and it will grow,

just try it you have nothing to lose.


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What about scaffold poles and sleepers, like they use for building swims,
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cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: Wed Aug 14 2024 07:06 -
Crackoff wrote: Tue Aug 13 2024 23:37 -
Alan a friend of mine planted some willow and the next year cut it partway through and bent it over and kept waving it together.

The 3rd year he back filled it and now it stops any wash from eroding the bank :wink:

Grant :smile:
That sounds great mate, all natural like but the area in question is under a lodge so there is not enough light for the willow to grow.

Cheers, Alan
It’ll grow sure enough Alan, and all you need to do is cut a six inch stick from a willow tree and plug it in the ground.
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Chris Hammond wrote: Thu Oct 31 2024 21:42 -
cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: Wed Aug 14 2024 07:06 -
Crackoff wrote: Tue Aug 13 2024 23:37 -
Alan a friend of mine planted some willow and the next year cut it partway through and bent it over and kept waving it together.

The 3rd year he back filled it and now it stops any wash from eroding the bank :wink:

Grant :smile:
That sounds great mate, all natural like but the area in question is under a lodge so there is not enough light for the willow to grow.

Cheers, Alan
It’ll grow sure enough Alan, and all you need to do is cut a six inch stick from a willow tree and plug it in the ground.
Do you really think it will grow under the lodge with zero sunshine, Chris where nothing else grows?

Cheers, Alan
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cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: Yesterday 07:06 -
Chris Hammond wrote: Thu Oct 31 2024 21:42 -
cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: Wed Aug 14 2024 07:06 -
Crackoff wrote: Tue Aug 13 2024 23:37 -
Alan a friend of mine planted some willow and the next year cut it partway through and bent it over and kept waving it together.

The 3rd year he back filled it and now it stops any wash from eroding the bank :wink:

Grant :smile:
That sounds great mate, all natural like but the area in question is under a lodge so there is not enough light for the willow to grow.

Cheers, Alan
It’ll grow sure enough Alan, and all you need to do is cut a six inch stick from a willow tree and plug it in the ground.
Do you really think it will grow under the lodge with zero sunshine, Chris where nothing else grows?

Cheers, Alan
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Chris Hammond wrote: Thu Oct 31 2024 21:42 -
cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: Wed Aug 14 2024 07:06 -
Crackoff wrote: Tue Aug 13 2024 23:37 -
Alan a friend of mine planted some willow and the next year cut it partway through and bent it over and kept waving it together.

The 3rd year he back filled it and now it stops any wash from eroding the bank :wink:

Grant :smile:
That sounds great mate, all natural like but the area in question is under a lodge so there is not enough light for the willow to grow.

Cheers, Alan
It’ll grow sure enough Alan, and all you need to do is cut a six inch stick from a willow tree and plug it in the ground.
I stuck an 18 inch piece of willow branch in my garden this spring. It's over 6ft tall now. When I was a kid we used to cut pussy willow branches and put them in a vase of water. They started sprouting roots in no time. :grin:
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sheet piling.
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LB wrote: Yesterday 10:39 -
sheet piling.
Would have been nice to have done that under the lodges when they were 1st built but you would never do it now with the available access.

I like the idea of the willow where the daylight gets.

Cheers, Alan
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cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: Yesterday 07:06 -
Chris Hammond wrote: Thu Oct 31 2024 21:42 -
cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: Wed Aug 14 2024 07:06 -
Crackoff wrote: Tue Aug 13 2024 23:37 -
Alan a friend of mine planted some willow and the next year cut it partway through and bent it over and kept waving it together.

The 3rd year he back filled it and now it stops any wash from eroding the bank :wink:

Grant :smile:
That sounds great mate, all natural like but the area in question is under a lodge so there is not enough light for the willow to grow.

Cheers, Alan
It’ll grow sure enough Alan, and all you need to do is cut a six inch stick from a willow tree and plug it in the ground.
Do you really think it will grow under the lodge with zero sunshine, Chris where nothing else grows?

Cheers, Alan
Yes probably, but why would you want to plant it under your lodge? I thought you were looking to shore up the bank Al?
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davelumb wrote: Yesterday 10:37 -
Chris Hammond wrote: Thu Oct 31 2024 21:42 -
cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: Wed Aug 14 2024 07:06 -
Crackoff wrote: Tue Aug 13 2024 23:37 -
Alan a friend of mine planted some willow and the next year cut it partway through and bent it over and kept waving it together.

The 3rd year he back filled it and now it stops any wash from eroding the bank :wink:

Grant :smile:
That sounds great mate, all natural like but the area in question is under a lodge so there is not enough light for the willow to grow.

Cheers, Alan
It’ll grow sure enough Alan, and all you need to do is cut a six inch stick from a willow tree and plug it in the ground.
I stuck an 18 inch piece of willow branch in my garden this spring. It's over 6ft tall now. When I was a kid we used to cut pussy willow branches and put them in a vase of water. They started sprouting roots in no time. :grin:
I cut straight sticks for supporting the tomato plants in a grow bag. I had trees before I had tomatoes. :red:
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cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: Yesterday 10:59 -
LB wrote: Yesterday 10:39 -
sheet piling.
Would have been nice to have done that under the lodges when they were 1st built but you would never do it now with the available access.

I like the idea of the willow where the daylight gets.

Cheers, Alan
What about getting some large rocks, might be tricky with poor access but it is a natural alternative.
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Chris Hammond wrote: Yesterday 11:19 -
cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: Yesterday 07:06 -
Chris Hammond wrote: Thu Oct 31 2024 21:42 -
cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: Wed Aug 14 2024 07:06 -
Crackoff wrote: Tue Aug 13 2024 23:37 -
Alan a friend of mine planted some willow and the next year cut it partway through and bent it over and kept waving it together.

The 3rd year he back filled it and now it stops any wash from eroding the bank :wink:

Grant :smile:
That sounds great mate, all natural like but the area in question is under a lodge so there is not enough light for the willow to grow.

Cheers, Alan
It’ll grow sure enough Alan, and all you need to do is cut a six inch stick from a willow tree and plug it in the ground.
Do you really think it will grow under the lodge with zero sunshine, Chris where nothing else grows?

Cheers, Alan
Yes probably, but why would you want to plant it under your lodge? I thought you were looking to shore up the bank Al?
Our lodge is on stilts and jetty's out over the water making most of our lounge over the water.

Cheers, Alan
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cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: Yesterday 15:19 -
Chris Hammond wrote: Yesterday 11:19 -
cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: Yesterday 07:06 -
Chris Hammond wrote: Thu Oct 31 2024 21:42 -
cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: Wed Aug 14 2024 07:06 -
Crackoff wrote: Tue Aug 13 2024 23:37 -
Alan a friend of mine planted some willow and the next year cut it partway through and bent it over and kept waving it together.

The 3rd year he back filled it and now it stops any wash from eroding the bank :wink:

Grant :smile:
That sounds great mate, all natural like but the area in question is under a lodge so there is not enough light for the willow to grow.

Cheers, Alan
It’ll grow sure enough Alan, and all you need to do is cut a six inch stick from a willow tree and plug it in the ground.
Do you really think it will grow under the lodge with zero sunshine, Chris where nothing else grows?

Cheers, Alan
Yes probably, but why would you want to plant it under your lodge? I thought you were looking to shore up the bank Al?
Our lodge is on stilts and jetty's out over the water making most of our lounge over the water.

Cheers, Alan
Do you not pay an annual maintenance fee, most properties such as yours demand such a fee for maintenance???
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cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: Yesterday 15:19 -
Chris Hammond wrote: Yesterday 11:19 -
cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: Yesterday 07:06 -
Chris Hammond wrote: Thu Oct 31 2024 21:42 -
cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: Wed Aug 14 2024 07:06 -
Crackoff wrote: Tue Aug 13 2024 23:37 -
Alan a friend of mine planted some willow and the next year cut it partway through and bent it over and kept waving it together.

The 3rd year he back filled it and now it stops any wash from eroding the bank :wink:

Grant :smile:
That sounds great mate, all natural like but the area in question is under a lodge so there is not enough light for the willow to grow.

Cheers, Alan
It’ll grow sure enough Alan, and all you need to do is cut a six inch stick from a willow tree and plug it in the ground.
Do you really think it will grow under the lodge with zero sunshine, Chris where nothing else grows?

Cheers, Alan
Yes probably, but why would you want to plant it under your lodge? I thought you were looking to shore up the bank Al?
Our lodge is on stilts and jetty's out over the water making most of our lounge over the water.

Cheers, Alan
Was the bank not retained before your lodge was built?
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davelumb wrote: Yesterday 17:43 -
cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: Yesterday 15:19 -
Chris Hammond wrote: Yesterday 11:19 -
cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: Yesterday 07:06 -
Chris Hammond wrote: Thu Oct 31 2024 21:42 -
cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: Wed Aug 14 2024 07:06 -
Crackoff wrote: Tue Aug 13 2024 23:37 -
Alan a friend of mine planted some willow and the next year cut it partway through and bent it over and kept waving it together.

The 3rd year he back filled it and now it stops any wash from eroding the bank :wink:

Grant :smile:
That sounds great mate, all natural like but the area in question is under a lodge so there is not enough light for the willow to grow.

Cheers, Alan
It’ll grow sure enough Alan, and all you need to do is cut a six inch stick from a willow tree and plug it in the ground.
Do you really think it will grow under the lodge with zero sunshine, Chris where nothing else grows?

Cheers, Alan
Yes probably, but why would you want to plant it under your lodge? I thought you were looking to shore up the bank Al?
Our lodge is on stilts and jetty's out over the water making most of our lounge over the water.

Cheers, Alan
Was the bank not retained before your lodge was built?
Not they skipped that bit probably to save money.

Cheers, Alan
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Bob Watson wrote: Yesterday 17:11 -
cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: Yesterday 15:19 -
Chris Hammond wrote: Yesterday 11:19 -
cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: Yesterday 07:06 -
Chris Hammond wrote: Thu Oct 31 2024 21:42 -
cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: Wed Aug 14 2024 07:06 -
Crackoff wrote: Tue Aug 13 2024 23:37 -
Alan a friend of mine planted some willow and the next year cut it partway through and bent it over and kept waving it together.

The 3rd year he back filled it and now it stops any wash from eroding the bank :wink:

Grant :smile:
That sounds great mate, all natural like but the area in question is under a lodge so there is not enough light for the willow to grow.

Cheers, Alan
It’ll grow sure enough Alan, and all you need to do is cut a six inch stick from a willow tree and plug it in the ground.
Do you really think it will grow under the lodge with zero sunshine, Chris where nothing else grows?

Cheers, Alan
Yes probably, but why would you want to plant it under your lodge? I thought you were looking to shore up the bank Al?
Our lodge is on stilts and jetty's out over the water making most of our lounge over the water.

Cheers, Alan
Do you not pay an annual maintenance fee, most properties such as yours demand such a fee for maintenance???
We do, Bob but the current freeholder-landlord would need a hell of a legal push to spend any money, but thats the short story of a much longer tale!

Cheers, Alan
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cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: Yesterday 19:37 -
davelumb wrote: Yesterday 17:43 -
cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: Yesterday 15:19 -
Chris Hammond wrote: Yesterday 11:19 -
cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: Yesterday 07:06 -
Chris Hammond wrote: Thu Oct 31 2024 21:42 -
cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: Wed Aug 14 2024 07:06 -
Crackoff wrote: Tue Aug 13 2024 23:37 -
Alan a friend of mine planted some willow and the next year cut it partway through and bent it over and kept waving it together.

The 3rd year he back filled it and now it stops any wash from eroding the bank :wink:

Grant :smile:
That sounds great mate, all natural like but the area in question is under a lodge so there is not enough light for the willow to grow.

Cheers, Alan
It’ll grow sure enough Alan, and all you need to do is cut a six inch stick from a willow tree and plug it in the ground.
Do you really think it will grow under the lodge with zero sunshine, Chris where nothing else grows?

Cheers, Alan
Yes probably, but why would you want to plant it under your lodge? I thought you were looking to shore up the bank Al?
Our lodge is on stilts and jetty's out over the water making most of our lounge over the water.

Cheers, Alan
Was the bank not retained before your lodge was built?
Not they skipped that bit probably to save money.

Cheers, Alan
Bloody cowboy builders! :joker:

Willow might not need direct sunlight to grow. But as someone said, it will need work to make for good bank retention. Hope you get it sorted one way or another.
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davelumb wrote: Yesterday 19:43 -
cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: Yesterday 19:37 -
davelumb wrote: Yesterday 17:43 -
cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: Yesterday 15:19 -
Chris Hammond wrote: Yesterday 11:19 -
cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: Yesterday 07:06 -
Chris Hammond wrote: Thu Oct 31 2024 21:42 -
cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: Wed Aug 14 2024 07:06 -
Crackoff wrote: Tue Aug 13 2024 23:37 -
Alan a friend of mine planted some willow and the next year cut it partway through and bent it over and kept waving it together.

The 3rd year he back filled it and now it stops any wash from eroding the bank :wink:

Grant :smile:
That sounds great mate, all natural like but the area in question is under a lodge so there is not enough light for the willow to grow.

Cheers, Alan
It’ll grow sure enough Alan, and all you need to do is cut a six inch stick from a willow tree and plug it in the ground.
Do you really think it will grow under the lodge with zero sunshine, Chris where nothing else grows?

Cheers, Alan
Yes probably, but why would you want to plant it under your lodge? I thought you were looking to shore up the bank Al?
Our lodge is on stilts and jetty's out over the water making most of our lounge over the water.

Cheers, Alan
Was the bank not retained before your lodge was built?
Not they skipped that bit probably to save money.

Cheers, Alan
Bloody cowboy builders! :joker:

Willow might not need direct sunlight to grow. But as someone said, it will need work to make for good bank retention. Hope you get it sorted one way or another.
Thanks, Dave the bank has eroded 4ft over the last 23 years since the lodge was built but it does make for a nice marginal drop off! :wink:

Cheers, Alan
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cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: Yesterday 19:48 -
davelumb wrote: Yesterday 19:43 -
cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: Yesterday 19:37 -
davelumb wrote: Yesterday 17:43 -
cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: Yesterday 15:19 -
Chris Hammond wrote: Yesterday 11:19 -
cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: Yesterday 07:06 -
Chris Hammond wrote: Thu Oct 31 2024 21:42 -
cookiesdaughtersdad wrote: Wed Aug 14 2024 07:06 -
Crackoff wrote: Tue Aug 13 2024 23:37 -
Alan a friend of mine planted some willow and the next year cut it partway through and bent it over and kept waving it together.

The 3rd year he back filled it and now it stops any wash from eroding the bank :wink:

Grant :smile:
That sounds great mate, all natural like but the area in question is under a lodge so there is not enough light for the willow to grow.

Cheers, Alan
It’ll grow sure enough Alan, and all you need to do is cut a six inch stick from a willow tree and plug it in the ground.
Do you really think it will grow under the lodge with zero sunshine, Chris where nothing else grows?

Cheers, Alan
Yes probably, but why would you want to plant it under your lodge? I thought you were looking to shore up the bank Al?
Our lodge is on stilts and jetty's out over the water making most of our lounge over the water.

Cheers, Alan
Was the bank not retained before your lodge was built?
Not they skipped that bit probably to save money.

Cheers, Alan
Bloody cowboy builders! :joker:

Willow might not need direct sunlight to grow. But as someone said, it will need work to make for good bank retention. Hope you get it sorted one way or another.
Thanks, Dave the bank has eroded 4ft over the last 23 years since the lodge was built but it does make for a nice marginal drop off! :wink:

Cheers, Alan
That sounds a fair bit. :eek: I wouldn't have thought there would be much flow to cause erosion.
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