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Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Post by Mark_Houghton » Sat Jul 06 2019 16:35

davelumb wrote:
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I think you've been had with that Woodpecker, John.

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:laughs: :laughs: :laughs:

As an interesting aside, the links from those old zinc chains were used by Creek Chub as hook hangers for their through-wired larger Pikie Minnows :clown: :tea:
Are you after John's lure nerd hat? :laughs:
I`d never be able to "out-nerd" John mate :laughs: :laughs: :laughs:

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Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Post by John Milford » Sat Jul 06 2019 17:20

Mark_Houghton wrote:
davelumb wrote:
Mark_Houghton wrote:
davelumb wrote:
I think you've been had with that Woodpecker, John.

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:laughs: :laughs: :laughs:

As an interesting aside, the links from those old zinc chains were used by Creek Chub as hook hangers for their through-wired larger Pikie Minnows :clown: :tea:
Are you after John's lure nerd hat? :laughs:
I`d never be able to "out-nerd" John mate :laughs: :laughs: :laughs:
I dunno Mark, that's an awesome bit of nerd knowledge! :worthy: :laughs:
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Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Post by Mark_Houghton » Sat Jul 06 2019 17:25

John Milford wrote:
Mark_Houghton wrote:
davelumb wrote:
Mark_Houghton wrote:
davelumb wrote:
I think you've been had with that Woodpecker, John.

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:laughs: :laughs: :laughs:

As an interesting aside, the links from those old zinc chains were used by Creek Chub as hook hangers for their through-wired larger Pikie Minnows :clown: :tea:
Are you after John's lure nerd hat? :laughs:
I`d never be able to "out-nerd" John mate :laughs: :laughs: :laughs:
I dunno Mark, that's an awesome bit of nerd knowledge! :worthy: :laughs:
It`s more a case of reverse engineering how they made them and sussing out the parts they used, rather than pure nerdiness John (its a lure maker thing) :cool:

Must admit, it`s a rather clever use for an old bog chain :laughs: :laughs: :laughs:

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Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Post by John Milford » Sat Jul 06 2019 17:38

Mark_Houghton wrote:

It`s more a case of reverse engineering how they made them and sussing out the parts they used, rather than pure nerdiness John (its a lure maker thing) :cool:

Must admit, it`s a rather clever use for an old bog chain :laughs: :laughs: :laughs:
I'm flushed with excitement . . . . :clown: :coat:
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Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Post by davelumb » Sat Jul 06 2019 17:40

Mark_Houghton wrote:

It`s more a case of reverse engineering how they made them and sussing out the parts they used, rather than pure nerdiness John (its a lure maker thing) :cool:

Must admit, it`s a rather clever use for an old bog chain :laughs: :laughs: :laughs:
It's odd, but I knew what those 'hangers' looked like, but never made the bog chain connection. :red:

This re-purposing has been a common feature. Some of the original jerkbaits used plain old split pins as hook hangers. There are other examples, I'm sure. :smile:

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Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Post by Mark_Houghton » Sat Jul 06 2019 17:47

davelumb wrote:
Mark_Houghton wrote:

It`s more a case of reverse engineering how they made them and sussing out the parts they used, rather than pure nerdiness John (its a lure maker thing) :cool:

Must admit, it`s a rather clever use for an old bog chain :laughs: :laughs: :laughs:
It's odd, but I knew what those 'hangers' looked like, but never made the bog chain connection. :red:

This re-purposing has been a common feature. Some of the original jerkbaits used plain old split pins as hook hangers. There are other examples, I'm sure. :smile:
I`d wager a lot of components back then were originally designed for something completely different than luremaking purposes Dave.

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Post by davelumb » Sat Jul 06 2019 17:54

Mark_Houghton wrote:
davelumb wrote:
Mark_Houghton wrote:

It`s more a case of reverse engineering how they made them and sussing out the parts they used, rather than pure nerdiness John (its a lure maker thing) :cool:

Must admit, it`s a rather clever use for an old bog chain :laughs: :laughs: :laughs:
It's odd, but I knew what those 'hangers' looked like, but never made the bog chain connection. :red:

This re-purposing has been a common feature. Some of the original jerkbaits used plain old split pins as hook hangers. There are other examples, I'm sure. :smile:
I`d wager a lot of components back then were originally designed for something completely different than luremaking purposes Dave.
No doubt. Gotta start somewhere.

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Post by John Milford » Sun Jul 21 2019 22:14

A truly iconic old bait, the1950s Hardy 'Jock Scott Wiggler'. A British classic, although JS was an early exponent of the American 'bait casting' style of plug fishing in the UK.

'Jock Scott' was the pen name of Douglas George Ferris Rudd 1897- 1983. (The Hardy 'Jock Scott' multiplier was a revolutionary narrow drum reel, one of the first with a free-spool lever. I'd love to stumble upon one of those at a flea market!). :pipe:

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The other famous Hardy plug, preceding the 'Wiggler', was the 'Darting and Diving Bait'. These were only made for around 10 years from 1929.

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Post by davelumb » Sun Jul 21 2019 22:17

John Milford wrote:
A truly iconic old bait, the1950s Hardy 'Jock Scott Wiggler'. A British classic, although JS was an early exponent of the American 'bait casting' style of plug fishing in the UK.

'Jock Scott' was the pen name of Douglas George Ferris Rudd 1897- 1983. (The Hardy 'Jock Scott' multiplier was a revolutionary narrow drum reel, one of the first with a free-spool lever. I'd love to stumble upon one of those at a flea market!). :pipe:


JS Wiggler~2.jpg


The other famous Hardy plug, preceding the 'Wiggler', was the 'Darting and Diving Bait'. These were only made for around 10 years from 1929.


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Are they both wood?

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Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Post by John Milford » Sun Jul 21 2019 22:42

davelumb wrote:
John Milford wrote:
A truly iconic old bait, the1950s Hardy 'Jock Scott Wiggler'. A British classic, although JS was an early exponent of the American 'bait casting' style of plug fishing in the UK.

'Jock Scott' was the pen name of Douglas George Ferris Rudd 1897- 1983. (The Hardy 'Jock Scott' multiplier was a revolutionary narrow drum reel, one of the first with a free-spool lever. I'd love to stumble upon one of those at a flea market!). :pipe:


JS Wiggler~2.jpg


The other famous Hardy plug, preceding the 'Wiggler', was the 'Darting and Diving Bait'. These were only made for around 10 years from 1929.


Darting & Diving Bait.JPG
Are they both wood?
Yes, they're both wood Dave. The bottom one has glass eyes and, unusually for a wooden bait, has an indented maker's stamp (probably the same one used to strike their name onto metal lures).
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Post by davelumb » Mon Jul 22 2019 08:21

John Milford wrote:
davelumb wrote:
John Milford wrote:
A truly iconic old bait, the1950s Hardy 'Jock Scott Wiggler'. A British classic, although JS was an early exponent of the American 'bait casting' style of plug fishing in the UK.

'Jock Scott' was the pen name of Douglas George Ferris Rudd 1897- 1983. (The Hardy 'Jock Scott' multiplier was a revolutionary narrow drum reel, one of the first with a free-spool lever. I'd love to stumble upon one of those at a flea market!). :pipe:


JS Wiggler~2.jpg


The other famous Hardy plug, preceding the 'Wiggler', was the 'Darting and Diving Bait'. These were only made for around 10 years from 1929.


Darting & Diving Bait.JPG
Are they both wood?
Yes, they're both wood Dave. The bottom one has glass eyes and, unusually for a wooden bait, has an indented maker's stamp (probably the same one used to strike their name onto metal lures).
I thought they would be wood. It was the 'stamped name which made me ask. :thumbs:

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Post by lochhopper » Tue Jul 23 2019 09:22

John Milford wrote:
A truly iconic old bait, the1950s Hardy 'Jock Scott Wiggler'. A British classic, although JS was an early exponent of the American 'bait casting' style of plug fishing in the UK.

'Jock Scott' was the pen name of Douglas George Ferris Rudd 1897- 1983. (The Hardy 'Jock Scott' multiplier was a revolutionary narrow drum reel, one of the first with a free-spool lever. I'd love to stumble upon one of those at a flea market!). :pipe:


JS Wiggler~2.jpg


The other famous Hardy plug, preceding the 'Wiggler', was the 'Darting and Diving Bait'. These were only made for around 10 years from 1929.


Darting & Diving Bait.JPG
That Hardy Darting and Diving Bait looks quite close to a Bass Oreno.

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Post by John Milford » Tue Jul 23 2019 10:36

lochhopper wrote:
John Milford wrote:
A truly iconic old bait, the1950s Hardy 'Jock Scott Wiggler'. A British classic, although JS was an early exponent of the American 'bait casting' style of plug fishing in the UK.

'Jock Scott' was the pen name of Douglas George Ferris Rudd 1897- 1983. (The Hardy 'Jock Scott' multiplier was a revolutionary narrow drum reel, one of the first with a free-spool lever. I'd love to stumble upon one of those at a flea market!). :pipe:


JS Wiggler~2.jpg


The other famous Hardy plug, preceding the 'Wiggler', was the 'Darting and Diving Bait'. These were only made for around 10 years from 1929.


Darting & Diving Bait.JPG
That Hardy Darting and Diving Bait looks quite close to a Bass Oreno.
Yes, very close LH :thumbs:

South Bend patented their 'Bass Oreno' in Dec 1916, so Hardy's copy followed 13 years later. I guess by that time there were so many other copies around that South Bend weren't very aggressive about protecting their patent - at least, not outside the USA? :shrug:
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Post by Monts » Sun Jul 28 2019 14:54

John,

You need a pair of these for the summer.
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Post by John Milford » Sun Jul 28 2019 20:50

Monts wrote:
John,

You need a pair of these for the summer.

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:thumbs:
:laughs: Nice one Jason! :thumbs: (I'd wear the matching shirt too, if there is one :grin: ).
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Post by John Milford » Sun Jul 28 2019 21:00

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Top: Silver plated Victorian Allcocks 'XX' (Double quality) 'Hog Back' spoon. :grin:

Bottom: A really rare old lure! :yahoo:

A 'Talbot Patent' Spinner. These were patented by Lieutenant Colonel Johnston Stoney Talbot in 1904 and were licenced to a few different companies (mainly Allcocks, who listed them as the No. 5315 'Bee' Spinner). After cleaning it, I discovered that my one is stamped Hardy Bros. Alnwick! I've never seen one, either Allcocks or Hardy, ever come up for sale. :grin: :grin: :grin:
Further to my post a page back about the 'Talbot Patent' spinner (bottom in the picture) - another one's just popped up on eBay tonight. There's a bid in already, so I'll be watching it with some interest to see if my £3 was well spent! :pipe:
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Post by Happy Hayes » Mon Jul 29 2019 09:04

Monts wrote:
John,

You need a pair of these for the summer.

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Very nice :thumbs:
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Post by John Milford » Mon Aug 05 2019 12:31

John Milford wrote:
John Milford wrote:

20190630_140714.jpg

Top: Silver plated Victorian Allcocks 'XX' (Double quality) 'Hog Back' spoon. :grin:

Bottom: A really rare old lure! :yahoo:

A 'Talbot Patent' Spinner. These were patented by Lieutenant Colonel Johnston Stoney Talbot in 1904 and were licenced to a few different companies (mainly Allcocks, who listed them as the No. 5315 'Bee' Spinner). After cleaning it, I discovered that my one is stamped Hardy Bros. Alnwick! I've never seen one, either Allcocks or Hardy, ever come up for sale. :grin: :grin: :grin:
Further to my post a page back about the 'Talbot Patent' spinner (bottom in the picture) - another one's just popped up on eBay tonight. There's a bid in already, so I'll be watching it with some interest to see if my £3 was well spent! :pipe:
The other 'Talbot' I saw listed went for just over £50, posted. Looks like my £3 purchase was 'on the money'! :pirate:
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Post by jonsykes » Wed Aug 07 2019 23:27

Any ideas on this John? Is it a commercially made lure or homemade?
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Post by John Milford » Thu Aug 08 2019 00:22

jonsykes wrote:
Any ideas on this John? Is it a commercially made lure or homemade?
Commercially made I think Jon. I've seen one or two before, but don't know much about them. My guess is a Canadian trout/salmon lure (there's a lot of weird French influence, but with American 'bling'?).
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Post by jonsykes » Thu Aug 08 2019 06:50

Thanks John

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Post by jonsykes » Thu Aug 08 2019 07:09

Here we are, getting somewhere.
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Post by jonsykes » Thu Aug 08 2019 10:16

Also got this for you John if you want it, unused by the looks.
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Post by Monts » Thu Aug 08 2019 20:30

jonsykes wrote:
Also got this for you John if you want it, unused by the looks.
If John has no use for it, I could rehome it. :grin:
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Post by John Milford » Fri Aug 09 2019 00:43

Monts wrote:
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Also got this for you John if you want it, unused by the looks.
If John has no use for it, I could rehome it. :grin:
I'm all Bud-ed out Jason, fill yer boots! :thumbs: (I'm looking for duffers for re-paint :pipe: ).
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Post by Monts » Fri Aug 09 2019 06:40

John Milford wrote:
Monts wrote:
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Also got this for you John if you want it, unused by the looks.
If John has no use for it, I could rehome it. :grin:
I'm all Bud-ed out Jason, fill yer boots! :thumbs: (I'm looking for duffers for re-paint :pipe: ).
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Post by jonsykes » Fri Aug 09 2019 07:48

Any views on the info I sent you John?

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Post by John Milford » Fri Aug 09 2019 12:54

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Any views on the info I sent you John?
PM Jon :thumbs:
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Post by davelumb » Fri Aug 09 2019 17:21

John Milford wrote:
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Any views on the info I sent you John?
PM Jon :thumbs:
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Re: (Vintage) Lure Porn

Post by jonsykes » Fri Aug 09 2019 17:39

:laughs: Nothing sinister Dave. Stop insinuating

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