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paternoster rigs ?

Post by stickman » Mon Sep 30 2019 20:35

OK I just dont get it. Every picture of a paternoster rig shows a trace or a bit of line going off at an angle. Which is great in a river but surely the bait will just hang down next to the mainline in a still water. This could cause tangles and even worse a pike might bite through the mainline. How does one set up a paternoster rig to work in still water?

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Post by Flipflopjoe » Mon Sep 30 2019 22:46

Buoyant baits ?
I think they’re more aimed at live baiting using a ledger set up, to keep the bait off of the bottom an maybe out of any weed !?!

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Post by davelumb » Tue Oct 01 2019 08:29

stickman wrote:
OK I just dont get it. Every picture of a paternoster rig shows a trace or a bit of line going off at an angle. Which is great in a river but surely the bait will just hang down next to the mainline in a still water. This could cause tangles and even worse a pike might bite through the mainline. How does one set up a paternoster rig to work in still water?
I don't know what your problem is.

You cast a paternoster out, tighten up to the float and set the indicator. Simple.

The line from rod tip to trace and the paternoster link to the lead will be at an angle with the bait hanging down and slightly away from the paternoster link.

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Post by Jason Skilton » Tue Oct 01 2019 10:09

You can use a pat for either live or deadbaits for presenting off the bottom. Dyson rigs are easier to cast though ;-)
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Post by stickman » Tue Oct 01 2019 20:02

davelumb wrote:
stickman wrote:
OK I just dont get it. Every picture of a paternoster rig shows a trace or a bit of line going off at an angle. Which is great in a river but surely the bait will just hang down next to the mainline in a still water. This could cause tangles and even worse a pike might bite through the mainline. How does one set up a paternoster rig to work in still water?
I don't know what your problem is.

You cast a paternoster out, tighten up to the float and set the indicator. Simple.

The line from rod tip to trace and the paternoster link to the lead will be at an angle with the bait hanging down and slightly away from the paternoster link.
so the float needs to be set overdepth then, and the lead needs to be quite big in order to tignten up to it.

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Post by davelumb » Tue Oct 01 2019 20:29

stickman wrote:
davelumb wrote:
stickman wrote:
OK I just dont get it. Every picture of a paternoster rig shows a trace or a bit of line going off at an angle. Which is great in a river but surely the bait will just hang down next to the mainline in a still water. This could cause tangles and even worse a pike might bite through the mainline. How does one set up a paternoster rig to work in still water?
I don't know what your problem is.

You cast a paternoster out, tighten up to the float and set the indicator. Simple.

The line from rod tip to trace and the paternoster link to the lead will be at an angle with the bait hanging down and slightly away from the paternoster link.
so the float needs to be set overdepth then, and the lead needs to be quite big in order to tignten up to it.
Not really on either count. Set the float a little overdepth, a foot or less maybe. A lead of 1.5oz is usually enough unless you need to cast a long distance.

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Post by Mike J » Wed Oct 02 2019 11:17

My motto; KISS
Keep it Simple Stupid

As above.
Also weak link to the lead, attach lead via 2" loop.
Use a Roberts bead, pat link knotted to smallest hole on the bead.
Set-up; stop knot on mainline, sliding float, Roberts bead large hole, line knotted to trace swivel.

Cast in a swing not overhead thump, this allows the lead to go first, allow to sink then tighten until the float is half submerged and lock a loop of line under an elastic band above the reel.
If the float appears fully you have a take, same if it sinks, same if it bobs, in every case tighten to the fish and lift the rod into its fighting curve. A bob followed by sinking is the normal indication.

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Post by stickman » Thu Oct 03 2019 14:09

Ok thanks guys.😁

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Post by Duncan Holmes » Thu Oct 03 2019 21:12

Sliding float, set just over depth, tie bomb link to top treble, cast out, Overhead will work with this rig, fish it as Mike describes (but use ratchet instead of rubber band)

Its simple, tangle proof, as bite off proof as you are going to get, and very effective for deads, lives, still or running water.

Any other paternoster rig I have I ever seen just designs in risk of tangles and bite off's and then add more bits to try to get over the problem it created for itself.
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Post by lochhopper » Fri Oct 04 2019 08:07

Duncan Holmes wrote:
Sliding float, set just over depth, tie bomb link to top treble, cast out, Overhead will work with this rig, fish it as Mike describes (but use ratchet instead of rubber band)

Its simple, tangle proof, as bite off proof as you are going to get, and very effective for deads, lives, still or running water.

Any other paternoster rig I have I ever seen just designs in risk of tangles and bite off's and then add more bits to try to get over the problem it created for itself.
> tie bomb link to top treble

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Post by Fentiger01 » Tue Oct 08 2019 22:02

davelumb wrote:
stickman wrote:
OK I just dont get it. Every picture of a paternoster rig shows a trace or a bit of line going off at an angle. Which is great in a river but surely the bait will just hang down next to the mainline in a still water. This could cause tangles and even worse a pike might bite through the mainline. How does one set up a paternoster rig to work in still water?
I don't know what your problem is.

You cast a paternoster out, tighten up to the float and set the indicator. Simple.

The line from rod tip to trace and the paternoster link to the lead will be at an angle with the bait hanging down and slightly away from the paternoster link.
My favourite rig of all time is a livebait fished on a sunken-float paternoster, fished with an up-trace utilising a very simple 'helicopter' rig. Very, very simple and very, very good. The sunken-float fished to a bite alarm and drop-off indicator ensures the rod is direct to the rig and reduces any slight slack that may be caused by the tip being direct to a float, which is then in turn, subsequently direct to the rig (if that makes sense). The rig I use was taken from Steve Younger's excellent 'Fenland Zander' book from way back in the day (1996), page 51, fig 2.

The only thing I do differently is use a cigar shaped sunken float, I've feel you can get away with a bigger float without making the rig seem a bit sea-fishing like. I don't remember many, if any tangles with this rig and using a stiffer, heavier grade (I preferred titanium) up-trace, I certainly don't recall any bite offs.
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Post by davelumb » Wed Oct 09 2019 08:08

Fentiger01 wrote:
davelumb wrote:
stickman wrote:
OK I just dont get it. Every picture of a paternoster rig shows a trace or a bit of line going off at an angle. Which is great in a river but surely the bait will just hang down next to the mainline in a still water. This could cause tangles and even worse a pike might bite through the mainline. How does one set up a paternoster rig to work in still water?
I don't know what your problem is.

You cast a paternoster out, tighten up to the float and set the indicator. Simple.

The line from rod tip to trace and the paternoster link to the lead will be at an angle with the bait hanging down and slightly away from the paternoster link.
My favourite rig of all time is a livebait fished on a sunken-float paternoster, fished with an up-trace utilising a very simple 'helicopter' rig. Very, very simple and very, very good. The sunken-float fished to a bite alarm and drop-off indicator ensures the rod is direct to the rig and reduces any slight slack that may be caused by the tip being direct to a float, which is then in turn, subsequently direct to the rig (if that makes sense). The rig I use was taken from Steve Younger's excellent 'Fenland Zander' book from way back in the day (1996), page 51, fig 2.

The only thing I do differently is use a cigar shaped sunken float, I've feel you can get away with a bigger float without making the rig seem a bit sea-fishing like. I don't remember many, if any tangles with this rig and using a stiffer, heavier grade (I preferred titanium) up-trace, I certainly don't recall any bite offs.
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My first choice livey rig forbank fishing in the Lakes (when you could still use livies) was the SFP. I tied the pat link to the top hook (as I always do for pat rigs) and used a 1.75in poly ball as the float. Set thefloat high enough to keep line off any marginal ledge and deep enough to avoid wave action.

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Post by Kevin O'Keeffe » Fri Oct 11 2019 13:03

What about the two float (one sunken) - helicopter paternoster rig..... :laughs: :laughs: :thumbs:
I tried this from a boat on a large ressie using big lives. To keep the uptrace upright above the bait a small gazette bung attached at top of the uptrace means a big bait lifting the lead def cant get above the up trace. But on a boat you still need surface indication of another sliding float. It worked (because or in spite of I am not sure :o)... ). the use of the gazette bung means it can come off at anytime and you are free to use a smaller bait in the normal fashion or put a lead on the heli attachment and then attach the trace on the end for dead baiting.

Simples (ish) and saves breaking it all down to change methods.
Big baits are a pain at times but its all they wanted! :scratch: :shrug:

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Post by Woolley bully » Sat Oct 12 2019 16:44

I use the pre made paternoster up trace .
Works well but there not 100% tangle free.
The fish in my avatar was caught on a surface float paternoster with a weak link tied to the the top treble wile fishing the river,
I general only use it on rivers .

For lakes I dont think you can beat a sliding float setup just off the bottom and let the wind work the swim for you.
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Post by tonyn » Sat Oct 12 2019 20:42

I've always used a longish (24"+) wiretrace with a weak lead link knotted to the trace about 6" from top treble. Can't remember the name of the knot but you form a loop, whip about 6 turns over it and pass loose end through loop and pull tight. Fish surface float or sunken. The bottom of trace must not be able to bend at knot and be longer than the upper bit of trace if that makes sense.

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Post by Dave Horton » Sat Oct 12 2019 22:53

davelumb wrote:
Fentiger01 wrote:
davelumb wrote:
stickman wrote:
OK I just dont get it. Every picture of a paternoster rig shows a trace or a bit of line going off at an angle. Which is great in a river but surely the bait will just hang down next to the mainline in a still water. This could cause tangles and even worse a pike might bite through the mainline. How does one set up a paternoster rig to work in still water?
I don't know what your problem is.

You cast a paternoster out, tighten up to the float and set the indicator. Simple.

The line from rod tip to trace and the paternoster link to the lead will be at an angle with the bait hanging down and slightly away from the paternoster link.
My favourite rig of all time is a livebait fished on a sunken-float paternoster, fished with an up-trace utilising a very simple 'helicopter' rig. Very, very simple and very, very good. The sunken-float fished to a bite alarm and drop-off indicator ensures the rod is direct to the rig and reduces any slight slack that may be caused by the tip being direct to a float, which is then in turn, subsequently direct to the rig (if that makes sense). The rig I use was taken from Steve Younger's excellent 'Fenland Zander' book from way back in the day (1996), page 51, fig 2.

The only thing I do differently is use a cigar shaped sunken float, I've feel you can get away with a bigger float without making the rig seem a bit sea-fishing like. I don't remember many, if any tangles with this rig and using a stiffer, heavier grade (I preferred titanium) up-trace, I certainly don't recall any bite offs.
:thumbs:

My first choice livey rig forbank fishing in the Lakes (when you could still use livies) was the SFP. I tied the pat link to the top hook (as I always do for pat rigs) and used a 1.75in poly ball as the float. Set thefloat high enough to keep line off any marginal ledge and deep enough to avoid wave action.
I'm sure I've said it before, Dave but that's a BIG fave of mine too!

(I don't know anyone else that does it face)

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Post by davelumb » Sun Oct 13 2019 08:37

Dave Horton wrote:
davelumb wrote:
Fentiger01 wrote:
davelumb wrote:
stickman wrote:
OK I just dont get it. Every picture of a paternoster rig shows a trace or a bit of line going off at an angle. Which is great in a river but surely the bait will just hang down next to the mainline in a still water. This could cause tangles and even worse a pike might bite through the mainline. How does one set up a paternoster rig to work in still water?
I don't know what your problem is.

You cast a paternoster out, tighten up to the float and set the indicator. Simple.

The line from rod tip to trace and the paternoster link to the lead will be at an angle with the bait hanging down and slightly away from the paternoster link.
My favourite rig of all time is a livebait fished on a sunken-float paternoster, fished with an up-trace utilising a very simple 'helicopter' rig. Very, very simple and very, very good. The sunken-float fished to a bite alarm and drop-off indicator ensures the rod is direct to the rig and reduces any slight slack that may be caused by the tip being direct to a float, which is then in turn, subsequently direct to the rig (if that makes sense). The rig I use was taken from Steve Younger's excellent 'Fenland Zander' book from way back in the day (1996), page 51, fig 2.

The only thing I do differently is use a cigar shaped sunken float, I've feel you can get away with a bigger float without making the rig seem a bit sea-fishing like. I don't remember many, if any tangles with this rig and using a stiffer, heavier grade (I preferred titanium) up-trace, I certainly don't recall any bite offs.
:thumbs:

My first choice livey rig forbank fishing in the Lakes (when you could still use livies) was the SFP. I tied the pat link to the top hook (as I always do for pat rigs) and used a 1.75in poly ball as the float. Set thefloat high enough to keep line off any marginal ledge and deep enough to avoid wave action.
I'm sure I've said it before, Dave but that's a BIG fave of mine too!

(I don't know anyone else that does it face)
Average minds, eh, Dave? :clown:

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Post by Half Mackeral » Mon Oct 14 2019 23:18

Its easy to say they are simple if you been fishing them for years!

A genuine question it is, tether the line with your fingers just before the rig hits the water so it straigtens out and keep tension on it untill you feel the weight hit bottom.

I find this works best, if short distance , side casts help with this rig too rather than overhead.

Main thing is relax your casting arms, the more tense i used to get and think about it too much the more tangies i got!

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Post by Half Mackeral » Mon Oct 14 2019 23:22

Best ready made one on the market by far (without question...) is the Greys Prowla one

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Post by Half Mackeral » Mon Oct 14 2019 23:24

Kevin O'Keeffe wrote:
What about the two float (one sunken) - helicopter paternoster rig..... :laughs: :laughs: :thumbs:
I tried this from a boat on a large ressie using big lives. To keep the uptrace upright above the bait a small gazette bung attached at top of the uptrace means a big bait lifting the lead def cant get above the up trace. But on a boat you still need surface indication of another sliding float. It worked (because or in spite of I am not sure :o)... ). the use of the gazette bung means it can come off at anytime and you are free to use a smaller bait in the normal fashion or put a lead on the heli attachment and then attach the trace on the end for dead baiting.

Simples (ish) and saves breaking it all down to change methods.
Big baits are a pain at times but its all they wanted! :scratch: :shrug:

Possibly not for the beginner novice page :laughs:
Yes first person i seen using this double float setup Kevin was Mick Brown

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